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Post by Bro. Freddie on Dec 18, 2009 10:16:57 GMT 12.75
F
1. The second part of the answer is right, but the first part isn't. Try again.
2. I'll have to give you credit for this one, but the answer I was looking for is that no one knows. That letter wasn't inspired by the Holy Spirit, so it isn't in the Bible, and has been lost to time. We don't know who destroyed it.
3. WRONG! In Revelation it tells us that the 2 witnesses will be killed and lay in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days. It says in Hebrews that Jesus died ONCE for mankind's sins, so He can't be one of the witnesses. Want to try again?
If each question was worth 1 point, you got 1 1/2 points out of a possible 3 points. Thats 50% which is an F.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Dec 18, 2009 15:06:53 GMT 12.75
;D Now wait a minute Pastor! It says just as clear as any one can read, It says in Rev/ 1:5 that Jesus is the first witness and the first begotten of the dead.
Now doggonit, I guessed about the second witness, but doesn't St John have to be witness to it of he's passing it on to us?
Okay, I'm prolly not right about John, but it says right there in ink that Jesus is a witness, so I gotta get 1/2 credit for that one also which brings me up to 2 points out of three, or 66%...a passing D!
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Dec 18, 2009 15:14:00 GMT 12.75
That grade isn't something to be proud of
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Dec 18, 2009 15:18:07 GMT 12.75
The two witnesses that I was speaking of are the two that will witness to the nation of Israel during the Tribulation Period. The Bible doesn't come out and say it, but I believe that the witnesses will be two Jewish men who are saved and called to preach the Gospel. They will preach to Israel during the Tribulation, and later be killed ny the Anti-christ in the streets of Israel. They will lay there 3 1/2 days, then be called up to heaven.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Dec 18, 2009 15:19:38 GMT 12.75
Weren't proud of it, but give a feller credit when he's due... Mars, I didn't expound on the answers because if I was wrong I didn't want to dig myself deepr into a hole or Freddie's liable to just fill in the hole and plant a tree over me.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Dec 18, 2009 15:23:13 GMT 12.75
Hold it Freddie....I ain't argufying, but you told me back when we was going round about during the Roman's discussions that a Jew ain't gonna get to Heaven, so why is it you figure them two Isreal witnesses are Jews?
Again, I ain't fussing, I really do wanna know....first I heard of it.
If we ever get to finish Matthews will we work our way up to Revelations? That book really does turn my head in circles.
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Post by Mars on Dec 19, 2009 9:31:55 GMT 12.75
That's funny right there! Toby's afraid of Pastor Freddie! Toby's afraid of Pastor Freddie! Toby's afraid of Pastor Freddie! As soon as Pastor Freddie get's some time I'm sure he will enlighten us and make sure we are well learnt. ;D
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Dec 19, 2009 10:50:00 GMT 12.75
Hold it Freddie....I ain't argufying, but you told me back when we was going round about during the Roman's discussions that a Jew ain't gonna get to Heaven, so why is it you figure them two Isreal witnesses are Jews? Again, I ain't fussing, I really do wanna know....first I heard of it. If we ever get to finish Matthews will we work our way up to Revelations? That book really does turn my head in circles. I see you misunderstood me once again. A Jew can get to heaven just as easy as any other person can. All they have to do is accept Jesus as Saviour, and therein lies the problem. The majority, but not all, of Jews don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God. They believe that He was a great prophet, but not that He was God in human flesh. The majority of Jews are still looking for the Messiah to come the first time. With that mind set, it is hard, but not impossible, to get a Jewish person to accept Jesus as Saviour. And if they don't accept Him as Saviour then they are doomed to spend eternity in the lake of fire and brimstone just like anyone else who doesn't accept Him as Saviour. Now about the 2 witnesses. A little background first. It is my belief that the Bible teaches the following. The anti-christ will gather a league of Arab nations, 10 to be specific, and will attack Israel. He will kill about 2/3rds of the population of Israel. He will drive what is left of Israel into the wilderness, which I believe is the Negev wilderness, where Israel will stay for 3 1/2 years. During this time there will be 2 witnesses who will witness unto the nation of Israel where at least 144,000 will be saved. The anti-christ will finally decide to destroy Israel totally and completely. He will kill the 2 witnesses in Jerusalem and their bodies will lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days. At the end of this time, there will be a voice cry from heaven saying "Come up here" and they will be resurrected and taken to heaven. Right after that there is a great earthquake and the saved that are alive will be raptured out. I think the 2 witnesses will be Jewish for the simple fact of who they are witnessing to. A Jew won't listen to anyone else on matters of religion except another Jew. I doubt we ever get to Revelation, but we might. I just depends upon what the Lord lays on my heart after we finish Matthew. I have studied Revelation a lot and there is still a lot that I don't know. If you have any questions, ask, and I might find time to prepare a bonus sermon or two concerning this subject.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Dec 19, 2009 15:36:00 GMT 12.75
;D
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Post by Toby Benoit on Dec 19, 2009 15:42:41 GMT 12.75
Seems to me that once a Jew accepts Christ as THE savior, he's no longer jewish, but Christian. So how can a jew witness to other jews about Christ if he don't accept Christ as the Messiah?
If they did they wouldn't be jews cause they'd be Christians and saved.... I ain't trying to come off as a dumbass, it just don't figure out that way to me is all.
I understand that you haven't got the most time on your hands these days, so I thank you that much more. ;D
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Post by brittonfaith on Dec 19, 2009 18:00:59 GMT 12.75
Don't mean to butt in...I know this is a quiz for Toby. I may be totally off base....but we were talking about just that thing at Bible study this week. Excuse me and Lord, forgive me if I'm wrong - which I may very well be since I had a huge sinus headache that night and was loaded up on Nyquil and am in no means a Biblical Scholar... ( Pastor, please feel at liberty to correct me here)...But, Jesus was of the house of David. Therefore, He was a Jew and was part of the reason why he was in the synagogue teaching as a boy. Some suggested in preparation for his Ba'mitzvah (sp?). Before Christ there were no Christians. The "true" Jews knew and accepted the prophecies of Christ. Even the earliest Jews new of the Messiah. There were also those that knew the prophecies, but denounced Him - as prophesied. Those Jews which kept to the writings knew of Him, accepted Him as their Savior, and taught (witnessed) according to the scriptures. When Jesus was crucified, the curtain in the temple ripped top to bottom revealing the holy of holies. This was a symbol that no longer was God only accessible to the high priest, but to all mankind - if they only accept salvation through Christs blood. The name Christian didn't appear until the church at Antioch. In essence, since we Christians follow Christ - king of the Jews - we are in some way (although I don't understand it myself) Jewish. The difference being that the Jews followed the old covenant, while we follow the new covenant. So a Jew can witness to another Jew about Christ. OK.....Time for Pastor Freddie to flunk me too.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Dec 19, 2009 23:05:50 GMT 12.75
Faith is right on most of it!
Paul taught us in Romans 11 that when we accept Jesus as our Saviour that we are in spirit Jewish now. It is like we were grafted onto the Jewish family tree even though we are still Gentiles.
Don't get confused about titles. The word "Christian" actually means a follower of Christ. It is possible to be both a Jew and a Christian. I have heard it said that if a Jewish person accepts Jesus as their Saviour they will be one of the best witnesses for Jesus around because they understand all the pictures and symbols of the Old Testament better than we do. It is because they have been taught these from a very young age and we haven't.
I think where Toby is getting confused is in the difference between Old Testament salvation and New Testament salvation. Let me try and explain. In the Old Testament, or anytime before Jesus' crucifixion, people we saved by grace through faith just like we are today. The ONLY difference was that they looked, by faith, forward to the time when Jesus would die on the cross and we look back, by faith, back to when Jesus died on the cross. All the pictures and symbols in the Old Testament pointed toward Jesus! Since we know that Jesus has died on the cross there is no need for all the pictures that were provided in the Old Testament. The majority of Jews refuse to accept that Jesus was the Messiah and still try to cling to Old Testament ways when in fact there is no need to.
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Post by brittonfaith on Dec 20, 2009 4:25:55 GMT 12.75
Grafted. Farmgirl now gets it! ( I think.) It's kinda like them 3-in-1 fruit trees. You start out with an apple or peach tree and graft on other branches from the same family. The result is one tree expressing 3 uniquely different lines of branches willing to accept the rootstock.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Dec 20, 2009 6:24:34 GMT 12.75
You got it! And each branch will eventually bear the fruit of the rootstock. It other words, all the saved (branches) should resemble the rootstock (Jesus).
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Post by Toby Benoit on Dec 20, 2009 18:19:52 GMT 12.75
See, that makes sense now. I got it! So we're like, "enlightened Jews". ;D Yep, that does make sense. Now, ain't ya glad Mars started this? ;D Bless ya'll for the patience o set me straight! (Why didn't you tell it that way when we was studying it last year, Freddie?)
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Post by Mars on Dec 21, 2009 4:01:54 GMT 12.75
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Post by Toby Benoit on Dec 22, 2009 7:53:03 GMT 12.75
What s'matter Freddie? I do better'n ya thought and yer skeered to try me again?
Awe, c'mon Pastor, that was fun and I think we all mighta got some good out of it. Let's go again! ;D
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Dec 22, 2009 12:56:39 GMT 12.75
Remember, you asked for it!!!
There are 2 great armies mentioned in Revelation. Who leads them, who do they attack, and how do they fare? Details!!!
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Post by Toby Benoit on Dec 23, 2009 16:08:49 GMT 12.75
;D Awright, I'm up to the task, but gimme a minute or two to think it out. I told ya I ain't much good at understanding Revelations, but lemme study up and get back with ya tomorrow! ;D
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Post by Toby Benoit on Dec 23, 2009 17:31:25 GMT 12.75
Well, the first army I see mentioned is led by the Four Horsemen as described in Rev. 6:2-8. These four horsemen were well armed and power was given to them over the fourth part of the earth; a full quarter of the population armed with hunger, death, and beasts. The next army I see mentioned is led by the four Angels living in the river Euphrates, leading an army of horsemen numbering two hundred thousand thousand. They then went on to whoop another third of the men left on the earth as told in Rev. 9:14-18. Reckon I got this one right...it was an open book test after all. ;D ;D
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