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Post by Mars on Apr 14, 2006 4:24:17 GMT 12.75
From what I gather Judas hung himself the next day.
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Post by Paws on Apr 14, 2006 4:50:28 GMT 12.75
Aha! That's exactly the kind of thing I would have expected. ;D Well if he did the deed out of malice or self gain I sure hope he asked for forgiveness! If not, I guess we won't be seeing him. Mars where is that written? I'd like to read the events .
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Post by Paws on Apr 14, 2006 5:01:37 GMT 12.75
Never mind Mars I found it. In Matthew Chapters 26 and 27. From the way 27 reads it looks like Judas repentance was indeed over doing something wrong therefore I conclude it was done of spite, greed, self import, or one of them "The devil made me do it" deals." You know if the old boy went and did himself iin almost immediately, well even before Jesus was crucified, then there would not have been a lot lof time for interviews for those who wished to write his gospel or biography! Kind of denies credibility to The Gospel of Judas and to my mind anything that would be found with it. Old Matthew looks to me like a real stickler for details and highly credible. I believe I trust him and what he has to say.
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Post by Paws on Apr 14, 2006 5:06:51 GMT 12.75
Freddie I'm not totally sure but I do know there are an awful lot of them including some ministers I know. One of those TV preachers was on one day telling lies and I audibly rebuked him and commanded that Satan's lying tongue be silenced. He started jumping up and down and shouting "I am not Satan, I am not Satan!" But of course I know different. ;D If he weren't, how did he hear me?
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Apr 14, 2006 11:02:58 GMT 12.75
Paws said,
Freddie I'm not totally sure but I do know there are an awful lot of them including some ministers I know. One of those TV preachers was on one day telling lies and I audibly rebuked him and commanded that Satan's lying tongue be silenced. He started jumping up and down and shouting "I am not Satan, I am not Satan!" But of course I know different. ;D If he weren't, how did he hear me?
Phil,
You caught my point exactly! ;D Although I don't know how this preacher (?) heard you, I don't doubt your story. The Bible says that God's ways are far beyond our comprehension so all I can say is that the Lord heard your prayer. The TV preacher I get mad at the most is Benny Hinn. I get so mad at the way he perverts the scriptures that I have to leave the room. He is not permitted at my house. Just remember, not all preachers are after money and power, but are called by God to preach His Word. We do it despite not much money and a lot of ridicule.
I'm glad that you and Mars picked up on the fact that Judas hanged himself right after he betrayed Christ. Like you said, there was no way he had enough time to write a gospel or even give an interview. Did you know, all the gospels were written well after Jesus' death, but they all fit together so well that it can only be the work of the Holy Spirit. John was the last Apostile to die and that was after he wrote Revelation on the Isle of Patmos.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Apr 14, 2006 11:07:21 GMT 12.75
I told my pastor something last Sunday night and then I forgot. My 2 year anniversary of surrendering to preach was Tuesday. ;D The last 2 years has been some of the most satisfying of my life. Sorry, didn't mean to brag but I I wanted to share this important milestone in my life with my friends., ;D
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Post by Brikatw on Apr 14, 2006 15:41:10 GMT 12.75
Congradulations on your anniversary Preacher Freddie. I am so glad you found your calling and that you are so happy in it. I can only hope you have many more to come. ;D
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Post by Paws on Apr 14, 2006 16:56:31 GMT 12.75
Congratulations Pastor! These anniversaries will mount up quickly! ;D Yes I know that the gospels were written long after the disciples had passed but by word of mouth their stories traveled down through history. That is I am sure that until their deaths each disciple told and re-told his personal story to anyone who would listen. Imagine how many times Paul must have heard each one! I'll bet he could recite them by heart. Although not written by their namesakes each one is pretty much written in the first person. Whoever penned the gospels must have had free and unlimited access to the disciples and knew each one well enough to know their eye witness report as well as their personal thoughts and insights. I'm sure that Paul didn't miss one tiny little detail that was important to Matthew, Mark, Luke or John.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Apr 15, 2006 9:02:39 GMT 12.75
Happy anniversary Preacher!
Ya'll talkin' about the gospel according to Judas?
I don't believe it! He'd have never of had the time to write all that down on account of him killin' himself off like a coward, rather than living with his act.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Apr 15, 2006 9:51:50 GMT 12.75
Toby,
Yep. thats what we were talking about. ;D
Along the same lines is the book The DeVinci Code. From what I can gather, it says that Jesus was married to Mary Magadeline, had children and was never God in human form. It says that sometime later, people elevated Jesus to God, and that the entire New Testament is fake. I haven't read it due to my study, but if this is true then it has to be one of the greatest lies of all time.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Apr 15, 2006 16:53:13 GMT 12.75
I've heard that about the "Davinci Code", which is why I haven't read the book nor will I see the movie!
I'm not going to spend a dime of my money to support such hogwash!
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Apr 15, 2006 22:52:49 GMT 12.75
Thats great Toby.
As Christians, sometimes I feel like we are looking too hard for things. We try to complicate the teachings of our Lord and try to make it into something it isn't. People want to say that there has to be something else. The gospel of Judas is an example. It was declared heritical less than 200 years after Jesus died. If the early church fathers, who were closer to the actual events than we are, declared this to be wrong, then we should look at it with a critical eye too. The old ways are usually better! Man, with all his modern technology can not improve on God's plan!
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Post by Paws on Apr 16, 2006 2:08:37 GMT 12.75
The Davinci Code sounds a whole lot like a pair of magic glasses that someone once upon a time found in the American Southwest desert!
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Post by Paws on Apr 16, 2006 2:10:02 GMT 12.75
Thats great Toby. As Christians, sometimes I feel like we are looking too hard for things. We try to complicate the teachings of our Lord and try to make it into something it isn't. People want to say that there has to be something else. The gospel of Judas is an example. It was declared heritical less than 200 years after Jesus died. If the early church fathers, who were closer to the actual events than we are, declared this to be wrong, then we should look at it with a critical eye too. The old ways are usually better! Man, with all his modern technology can not improve on God's plan! Somewhere there again the Bible speaks of ...the whole world looking for a sign... or words to that affect. Rings a bell doesn't it.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Apr 16, 2006 12:08:34 GMT 12.75
The one that comes to my mind is the one that says in the latter days they will have itching ears. In other words, they will follow the ones who tickle their fancy instead of telling them the truth. Too many today want to hear just the good things of the scriptures. But they forget, or don't wanna hear all about the punishment to those who reject the Savior.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Apr 17, 2006 6:09:55 GMT 12.75
Today's sermon was from Romans 7: 7-12. In it Paul discusses the Law and how it afftects mens life. But notice verse 12. Paul states that the Law is just, and good. Anything that God says is just and good, and since God spoke the Law, it has to be just and good. Now, don't get me wrong. We are not under the law anymore, but under grace. The purpose of the law was to show men that they were unholy and undone in the eyes of God. Since Jesus fulfilled the law we then came under grace. Even though we are not under the law, the law still shows us how unholy we are if you examine it and your life truthfully. But, when you break the law, you can not blame God. God in essence drew a line in the sand, and said Do not cross it! When we cross that line, we can not blame God for us doing it. Just like when we tell our children not to do something, and they then do it, they can not blame us for disobeying. We can not blame God for disobeying, only ourselves.
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Post by Paws on Apr 20, 2006 11:46:17 GMT 12.75
We ain't left the building Freddie; just a lot of meat here to chew on! ;D
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Apr 21, 2006 11:01:38 GMT 12.75
We ain't left the building Freddie; just a lot of meat here to chew on! ;D Ya'll ain't the only one that has a lot of meat to chew on..LOL..I have to study and then I usually preach the same message to myself all week, but ya'll just have to hear it one time. ;D
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Post by Paws on Apr 22, 2006 11:33:01 GMT 12.75
OK then bear with me. Somewhere the Bible talks about Christ being the head of the church the way the husband is the head of the wife. Now with that in mind review the last sermon before we venture out here. Is it just possible that Jesus sacrificial act of taking on the flesh and giving up the flesh represents the death of the law of the flesh? Further, He became "regenerated" and I assume incorruptible. In the flesh He must have been corruptible since Satan gave it his best shot and since somewhere the Bible speaks of Jesus suffering all of the desires or weakneses of the flesh .(Highly generalized language here.) So Jesus was resurrected and before he was ascended would not permit anyone to touch Him. Do you think this santification might have been in order to keep Him from becoming corrupted by the flesh? I'm thinking that there just might be several distinct states of creature here. Remember back in Genesis, the garden of Eden when God said "It was good!" or perfect? If it were perfect then it must have been incorruptible. Is it possible that The image that God created man in was this incorruptible body?
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Apr 22, 2006 14:32:37 GMT 12.75
OK, one at a time. ;D
Jesus took on flesh so that he could be the sacrificial lamb for you and me. If he had never took on human flesh, he could not have experienced the human desires and temptations we face. Remember, Jesus was tempted by Satan, and never wavered. If Jesus had once given in to temptation, he would have sinned, and therefore could not have been the perfect sacrificial lamb. His giving up the flesh, represents the sacrifice he made for you and me. See, someone had to pay the price for our sins. When God told Adam "Thou shalt not eat of the fruit of the tree", that was the first law. When Adam ate of the fruit, sin began in his life, and passed on from generation to generation. From father to offspring. So Jesus' death represents the fulfillment of the Law. Only Jesus could have kept the Law in it's entirety.
Jesus did allow people to touch him after His resurrection, just not Mary right afterwards.Remember the story of Thomas? The disciples were in a closed ( locked) room, and Jesus appeared among them. Thomas previously had said that unless he touched Jesus' hands and feet where the nails were and His side where the spear was thrust in, he would not believe. When Jesus appeared unto them, He told Thomas to feel of Him. So some were allowed to touch Jesus' incorruptible body. One thing you have to keep in mind is that Jesus could have sinned if He wanted to. He had a body just like you and me. There was no difference. But He lived a perfect life, and did not sin. But, Jesus' incorruptible body (after His resurrection) could not sin. So, we have God, who came to earth and took on human form, lived through all the desires of the flesh that we have, conquered them and lived without sin, gave His life on the cross for our sins, resurrected in an incorruptible body that can not sin.One thing that people forget is that Jesus had a body just like Adam. If Adam had not sinned, he would have lived forever. Jesus did not sin but layed down his life for us. After His resurrection, in His incorruptible body, He spent something like 40 days on Earth, and was seen by a lot of people. His incorruptible body could go through solid walls, but could be touched. Also, He ate. Remember, the disciples were fishing and Jesus was on the beach, and He asked them if they had anything to eat? Also to me, his incorruptible body was looked like a normal human body. He appeared to 2 disciples who were walking on a road, talking about His Crucifixion, and Jesus walked and talked with them, and until He disappeared, these 2 thought He was just another man. So, the incorruptible body can not be corrupted by human flesh.
You are right there. Man was created in God's own image, which is an incorruptable image. But, man is now corruptable, or not perfect. What happened? Did flesh make man corruptable? NO!What made man corruptable was sin! Adam was perfect until he chose to sin. After sin entered, Adam started to die, both spiritually and physically. Jesus had this same perfect sinless body while here on Earth, before His death. After His death, He had a different body, one that was alike in a lot of ways, but different in some too. How many of us could walk through a solid wall
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