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Post by Toby Benoit on May 21, 2013 16:29:21 GMT 12.75
" After a person is saved they will desire to live a life that is pleasing to God (a good life) but that is a result of salvation not for salvation."
Just my point though. I confess my belief and I see enough, He has shown me enough, that I have no doubt that He is the way. And more often than not I still fall short of His example or expectations.
I know I been saved and still I find myself in the bed of a married woman from time to time and heavily lusting for another. I know it' wrong and I'll feel sorry about it afterwards, but I don't have the character not to do it again. I surely love that gal though I know I'll never marry and her.
I still drink from time to time, lose my patience and came damn close to killin' a man; wanted to real bad and still do. Kinda coveting his mortality I reckon and I know that's wrong to.
I ain't trying to turn this into no Catholic style confessional, but if I was saved the way I want to be I reckon I'd live better as opposed to just wanting to.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on May 27, 2013 22:13:27 GMT 12.75
Matthew 13: 53-58 (King James Version)
53: And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, He departed thence. 54: And when He was come into His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 55: Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56: And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? 57: And they were offended in Him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honor, save in his own country, and in his own house. 58: And He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. We have been looking at the parables found in Matthew chapter 13. We have seen the parable of the tares, the parable of the sower, the parable of leaven, the parable of the goodly pearl and a few more. I hope and pray that you have learned what Jesus was wanting you to learn during these studies. Today we will finish up chapter 13. I have enjoyed this study and I hope that you have to. I hope that you enjoy what we will learn in the rest of the book of Matthew as much as I did when I preached my way through it. In verse 53 we see that when Jesus had finished speaking these parables that we have just looked that in chapter 13, He left from that area. We know that Jesus was on the shore of the Sea of Galilee when He spoke these parables. If you go back and look at verse one of this chapter you will see where it says Jesus went and sat by the seaside. This tells me that He was on the shores of the Sea of Galilee. In verse 54 we see where Jesus went after He left the area that He spoke the parables in. He went to His own country! In this instance the word country does not mean nation like we might think of it today. It means the area that He called His residence. In other words, Jesus went to Capernaum. Capernaum was where Jesus at his official residence. Now we all know, that Jesus did not own a house. A lot of biblical scholars say that Jesus used Peter's house as his home base. I have nothing that refutes that. It is quite possible that Peter's house was Jesus' base of operations. But anyway, we see that Jesus went back to Capernaum and taught them in their synagogue. The word " them" in this instance is referring to the Jewish people, not the disciples. We have already looked at what a synagogue is in previous lessons but it doesn't hurt to go back over it again. A synagogue was not a church but more along the lines of biblical school for all ages of people. A synagogue of that day and age had the word of God (meaning Old Testament) read in it and expounded upon. Even though this sounds like what a church is, a synagogue is not a church. But getting back to our verse. When Jesus taught in this synagogue the people were astonished. They were amazed that this man could expound upon the Scriptures like He did. The Jewish leaders of this synagogue begin to question where Jesus got the wisdom to teach like He did and where He got the power to do the miracles/mighty works that He did. As I thought about this I began to ask myself some questions concerning this. Why were these men amazed? Jesus had been around before this and these men should have known what Jesus was teaching. Jesus lived what He taught! Folks, the people in this town should never have been amazed at Jesus' teachings. He lived among them on a daily basis and had shown these attributes before. In verse 55 and 56 we see the people identifying Jesus. Let's look at verse 55 first. They asked if Jesus was the carpenter's son. I find it interesting that they did not say Joseph by name but instead by his occupation. Now I don't know for sure but could it be that Joseph was the only carpenter in this town? Could it be that Joseph was so well known in this town that they did not have to identify him by name? Folks, it stands to reason if someone knows your parents, then someone knows you. Case in point. When Lucas, my eldest son, was a baby the babysitter carried him to every yard sale in the area. I heard people say that Lucas could never have ran away from home because everyone knew who his parents were and who his babysitter was. The people in town knew Lucas because of the adults he was around. Wouldn't it be the same way with Jesus? Now I know Mary would not have carried Jesus to yard sales. But, people who wanted Joseph to do carpentry work would have known Jesus. Also we see in this verse that Jesus' mother is named. Now some biblical scholars have came up with the theory that Joseph had more than one wife and this was a way to identify Jesus' mother. I don't think so! God has never approved of a man having more than one wife at a time. When God started the institution of marriage it was one man and one woman. Not one man and two women, not one woman and 2 men, or any other combination you can think of. It was one man and one woman! So why did the Scriptures mention Mary by name and not Joseph? I believe it is simple. The name Jesus is the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew name Joshua. There are recorded instances, although not many, of other boys having the name Jesus. So I believe the Holy Spirit led Matthew to list Jesus' lineage in such a way that there could be no confusion. Also in verse 55 and 56, we see the brothers of Jesus listed, and reference made to His sisters. All too often in this life we tend to think that Jesus was an only child. In one aspect He was, because He had no earthly father. Jesus was the elder brother of several half-brothers and half-sisters. He was not a full brother to His siblings because they were children of Joseph while He was/is the son of God. In the latter part of verse 56 the people as another question. They asked how Jesus was able to do all these things, meaning miracles and knowledgeable teachings. The people could not figure out how Jesus could teach in such a manner yet never have what we might consider a higher education. They had seen Jesus grow up, and do no sin, yet they could not understand that He was the son of God. Why not? Folks, it is simple. It is not being able to see the forest for all the trees. Jesus had lived a perfect life in front of these people yet they refused to see it. And we would be the same way today. People do things right underneath our noses yet we refuse to accept the truth at times. It's happened to me and if you will be honest with yourself you will admit it has happened to you too. And that's the way it was there too. In verse 57 Matthew records that the people were offended in Jesus. The word offended basically means that the people had their feelings hurt because they could not accept the teachings of Jesus. Remember back in Matthew chapter 5 when Jesus said if you lust after a woman in your heart then you've already committed adultery? He was teaching the same principles here in the synagogue and the people didn't like it. It is happened to me also during my ministry. Preachers call this "stepping on toes". When a preacher declares the truth and it offends you/hurts your feelings that is not the preachers problem. It is your problem! When the truth is declared, and it offends you, then you are offended at God. And who is perfect? You or God? In the next part of verse 57 Jesus states why the people were offended at Him. Basically, Jesus said that a prophet has no honor in his own country. Now, what does this have to do with us today? Let's break this down a little and try to understand how this affects us today. A prophet was someone who declared the will of God to the people. And I know we don't have prophets like those in the Old Testament today. But we do have preachers/pastors. Don't preachers declare the will of God to the people? Yes! It may not be by divine inspiration, like Isaiah or Jeremiah, but we still declare the will of God to the people just like the prophets of old did. Now, this brings forth the question of why the preacher of a certain area would have no honor from the people of that area. It is because he grew up in that area or has lived in that area for a long time. Time for an example. I grew up in a small community named Pisgah where I was a member of Liberty Hill Missionary Baptist Church. Growing up I did a lot of dumb things that kids/young men do. If I went back to Liberty Hill had tried to pastor that church people would remember me from my childhood, and the dumb things I did, and would not have the respect for the office of pastor that they should. That is why often times God will move a preacher from that area he grew up in to another area so that the man would have the respect that the office of pastor deserves. In verse 58 we see that Jesus did not many wonderful/mighty works in Capernaum because of the people's unbelief. The people had seen Jesus grow up into a man, and while He never sinned, the people refused to accept the fact that He was the Son of God. Jesus lived the perfect life in front of these people, yet they refused to accept Him as Savior. And because of the people's unbelief Jesus refused to do a lot of the miracles/mighty works there and He might have done. Today we have seen how Jesus went back to His home town of Capernaum and how that the people rejected Him. We have seen how the people made sure of Jesus' identity by asking if the carpenter and Mary were His parents and if these others were His siblings. Because of their unbelief Jesus did not do a lot of miracles in Capernaum. Have you rejected Jesus like these people? He is Son of God therefore there is no reason to question who He is. So why reject Him? Later in this wonderful Gospel we will see how Jesus loved you so much that He died for you. Why not accept Him today? Read more: ohiocampcooks.proboards.com/thread/4110/matthew-13-53-58##ixzz2UU1WqvoZ
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jun 7, 2013 19:42:40 GMT 12.75
Reckon Jesus knocked some noses out of joint the way He was teaching. I wonder if it was because the old Biblical scholars already in that synogogue were interpreting the scriptures to fit their needs, whereas He would certainly be teaching and preaching only the truth. Kinda like how some preachers do today (I know a few) ((you ain't one of them)) in different churches. Sort of like sending a Baptist preacher to a Catholic church, lol. Bet there'd be some friction there!
Or, do you think it was a commonality. Being in his hometown, they surely watched him growing up and being a silly kid, a precocious youth, and a carpenter's apprentice. When he returned to them as The Ultimate Biblical Scholar, don't ya reckon some naturally would have had their doubts?
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jun 7, 2013 19:45:03 GMT 12.75
"I grew up in a small community named Pisgah where I was a member of Liberty Hill Missionary Baptist Church. Growing up I did a lot of dumb things that kids/young men do. If I went back to Liberty Hill had tried to pastor that church people would remember me from my childhood, and the dumb things I did, and would not have the respect for the office of pastor that they should. That is why often times God will move a preacher from that area he grew up in to another area so that the man would have the respect that the office of pastor deserves." Just like I figured it!
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Post by Paws on Jun 8, 2013 15:59:56 GMT 12.75
"I grew up in a small community named Pisgah where I was a member of Liberty Hill Missionary Baptist Church. Growing up I did a lot of dumb things that kids/young men do. If I went back to Liberty Hill had tried to pastor that church people would remember me from my childhood, and the dumb things I did, and would not have the respect for the office of pastor that they should. That is why often times God will move a preacher from that area he grew up in to another area so that the man would have the respect that the office of pastor deserves." Just like I figured it! Something in there similar to - A profit is not without honor except in his own home... or something like that.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Jul 20, 2013 23:53:50 GMT 12.75
Matthew 14:1-12 (King James Version)
1: At that time Herod the tetrarch heard of the fame of Jesus, 2: And said unto his servants, This is John the Baptist; He Is risen from the dead; and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him. 3: For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife. 4: For John said into him, It is not lawful for thee to have her. 5: And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet. 6: But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod. 7: Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask. 8: And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger. 9: And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her. 10: And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison. 11: And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother. 12: And his disciples came, and took up the body, and buried it, and went and told Jesus. By way of introduction, we have been looking at the parables found in Matthew chapter 13. We have finished that study and now we're moving on to chapter 14. We have learned a lot so far in our study of the book of Matthew and I pray that we will learn more as we go through this wonderful gospel. In verse one of our Scripture reading today we meet Herod the tetrarch. Before we go any further we need to properly identify who this is, but we need to get one fact straight before we continue. The word Herod is not actually a name yet it is. From what I can understand in my studies, and found in my Bible dictionary, the word Herod is a family name. It is not a first name as we would think about it today but more along the lines of a last name. There are six men mentioned in the New Testament with this name. They are as follows: Herod the Great, Herod Archaelaus, Herod Antipas, Herod Philip II, Herod Agrippa I, and Herod Agrippa II. But one that we are concerned about today Herod Antipas. This man, from what I can find, was the younger brother of Herod Archaelaus and the son of Herod the Great. Herod the Great was the king of Palestine when Jesus was born and was a very evil man. Antipas is described as sly, ambitious, luxurious, but not so able as his father. In the gospel of Luke, Jesus called him a fox because of his sly and deceitful manner. The word tetrarch is a title and basically means a ruler over a fourth of the kingdom. Herod the Great ruled over all of Palestine as king but Antipas ruled over just one fourth of it after his father's death. This man "heard" of Jesus. Now I'm not exactly sure how he heard of Jesus. I know it was by word-of-mouth but exactly how I'm not sure. Could it have been by his servants? Could it have been by other nobility? Or was it by John the Baptist when John preached to him? But does it really matter? No! All that really matters is that Herod Antipas heard about Jesus and was convicted of his sins. In this sermon note, I will have to do things a little differently. Instead of going verse by verse, I am going to have to tell the story in everyday language so that you might understand. After I tell the story, according to Scripture, I will then present the meaning of the story and what we should learn from this. Before we get started with our story/lesson I need to make one thing perfectly clear. We do not know the specific time frame that Matthew is speaking about. The Bible doesn't give a specific/date sold all we can do is talk in generalities about the time/date. We get within three years probably because we know this happened during Jesus' personal ministry. If Jesus was born in 3 BC like the majority of biblical scholars claim and He started His personal ministry at about the age of 30, and was crucified 3 1/2 years later (at about the age of 33) we can deduce that this happened sometime 27 A.D. and 30 A.D. But that's as close as we can get. And does a really matter? No! The specific time does not matter. What is important is that this really happened and what we can learn from it. Herod Antipas was a very evil and immoral man. He had a brother named Philip who was also probably just as evil and immoral although we don't know for sure. Philip had a wife named Herodias. As I sit here and think about it, I have begun to think that Herodias was probably very beautiful. Either she was beautiful or Antipas wanted what his brother had because Antipas and Herodias had an adulterous affair. Herod Antipas could have had any woman in his kingdom yet he chose his brothers wife. As I think of his character and morals I began to realize how evil and immoral Antipas was. And let's not leave Herodias out either. She was a evil and immoral woman also because she also participated in this immoral affair with Antipas. John the Baptist was a very courageous man. He went to Antipas and told him that it was not right for him and Herodias to be carrying on this adulterous affair. In other words, John told Herod Antipas that it was a sin to be doing what he was doing with Herodias. Think on that a moment if you would. John went to the ruler of the area and told him that he was sinning. That took a lot of courage! Antipas was so mad that he wanted to have John put to death but the people (multitude) knew John was a prophet and Antipas feared an uprising from the people if he had John killed. So he did not have John killed at this time but he did have him placed in the prison. Time progressed. Herod Antipas' birthday rolled around and he was having a party. Herodias' daughter, Salome, danced in front of, and for, Antipas. From what I understand this was a very lewd and provocative dance. Before I go any further I need to point out a few things. Salome was a young girl, possibly as young as 12, who danced in front of an older man who was excited by her dance. And this dance was with Herodias' approval. Why was a young girl showing off parts of her body to an old man? Why was this girl's mother, who was carrying out a relationship with the man, allowing her daughter to expose herself to an older man? Folks there is so much wrong with what was going on in the palace I can't even begin to explain it. All I can say is that this palace was the place of a lot of immoral activity. Salome's dancing was very pleasing unto Herod Antipas. Her dance was so provocative that Herod Antipas promised her whatever she wanted. Folks, Salome could have asked for anything in the kingdom yet being instructed by her mother (Herodias) before her dance on what to ask for, she asked for John's head on a platter (charger). And Herod Antipas had to give to her what she asked for because he promised her, before witnesses, that he would give her what she wanted. Brethren, this is another example of people not thinking about the consequences of their words before they speak. So, Herod Antipas sent word to the prison where John was being held and had his head cut off. Folks, this is the end of the life of one of the greatest/bravest preachers recorded in the Scriptures. During his life John preached to the religious leaders of the day and to the ruling class of that time. He told the religious leaders to show proof of their salvation before he would baptize them (Matthew chapter 3) and he told Herod Antipas (and the rest of the court) that they were living a very sinful life. John was not afraid to preach/witness to anyone! Can we say the same thing today? Do we tell everyone, including those who have positions of leadership in our community, that they are living a sinful life according to the Word of God? After John's death, word was sent to his disciples/followers that he was dead. So, they came and took the body and went and buried it, then went and told Jesus. Folks, I believe that these disciples stayed and followed Jesus. These followers/disciples had followed John until his death. I believe that after John's death they began to follow Jesus, not as apostles, but as followers/disciples. By way of conclusion, we have looked that the lesson/story of John the Baptist's death. We have seen how immoral the court of Herod Antipas was and how John preached the truth unto them. I believe John KNEW that when he told Herod Antipas that he was wrong for taking his brothers wife, he (John) was putting his life on the line. Yet he still preached the Gospel! We have several examples in the Scriptures of men who have shown great courage preaching the Gospel. And we have seen another one today. Would we had the courage to preach/witness to those who are in authority above us? Would we have the courage to lay our life online for the Gospel? Brethren, John loved the Lord. Do we love the Lord like John? Read more: ohiocampcooks.proboards.com/thread/4111/matthew-14-1-12#ixzz2ZaAXMHUq
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jul 22, 2013 13:15:53 GMT 12.75
That's a powerful story right there... John died at the whim of a child as directed by her own mother.
Life hadn't much value in Herod's palace I take it.
Reckon Herodias was Herod's sister and Phillip the BIL???
I don't figure to hold back on my conviction. I don't want to get my head chopped off, but I ain't going to back down and deny my Savior to anybody, regardless of his political station.
You know, I been reading a lot about the Christian ministers in the Middle East and the horrors they are experiencing. Public beheadings, stoning, evicerations and burning...yet they still hold to their conviction. Just like John...he left a great standard for all preachers and Christians to follow.
But, as much as his death showed us all an example of perfect Faith. Why wouldn't Jesus come to his aid? If he was near enough that they sent to him to have John buried; wouldn't someone have come to him concerning John's arrest on his behalf?
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Jul 22, 2013 14:35:32 GMT 12.75
Reckon Herodias was Herod's sister and Phillip the BIL??? I don't know if there was any relationship between Herod Antipas and Herodias. We do know that Herod Antipas and Phillip were brothers. First, they never sent to Jesus to have John buried. John's followers buried him then went and told Jesus. I figure the reason that Jesus didn't come to John's aid was because it wasn't in His plans. John's job was to be the forerunner for the King. He was to prepare the way for the King of Kings. His job was finished so it was time for him to go to his reward.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jul 24, 2013 21:25:33 GMT 12.75
Why can't God simply plant faith and devotion into our hearts and minds? I know we're given a choice to honor and obey Him, but why does He allow so many to die in His name to prove their faith and devotion. I'm not trying to doubt His will of be blasphemous by questioning it... But, some of the horrors endured by John The Baptist and Jesus's disciples are unbelievable.
Jesus Himself bore the pain and suffering of all mankind, but the pain and suffering of those whom He has saved is confusing to me I guess.
Reckon maybe it's a way to make our next home with Him just that much better?
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Jul 25, 2013 10:12:52 GMT 12.75
Why can't God simply plant faith and devotion into our hearts and minds? I know we're given a choice to honor and obey Him, but why does He allow so many to die in His name to prove their faith and devotion. I'm not trying to doubt His will of be blasphemous by questioning it... But, some of the horrors endured by John The Baptist and Jesus's disciples are unbelievable.[/quote] You sort of answered your question yourself. God doesn't "plant" faith and devotion or salvation in our minds and hearts because He wants a loving servant who serves and worships Him of their own free will. Is forced service (like you are suggesting) loving service? NO! If you force someone to serve you do they really love you? NO! Therefore God doesn't force us to do anything because He wants us to do it out of love for Him. I agree. If you have never read it I urge you to get the Foxe's Book of Martyr's. It is sometime dry and dull but it will open your eyes to the persecutions that Christians have suffered through the ages. But I believe God allowed the persecutions to happen to bring Him honor and glory. Think about this: If you were going to be burnt at the stake would you be able to sing songs of praise and preach the Gospel to the crowd with fire burning around you? I don't know about you but I don't think I could. But there is recorded events of this really happening. The ONLY way it could happen is because the people loved the Lord more than life itself. Not really. I believe that God allows things to happen to us, such as persecution, to strengthen us and those who are watching us. Who knows. The persecution that you go through may be the one thing that another sees and turns them to the Lord.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jul 25, 2013 18:30:23 GMT 12.75
Thanks... I read about a Jesuit preacher that came out West to the Dakotas to convert the Indians. It seems he helped himself to to much of their kid's time when they were supposed to be working and learning a warrior/hunter's skills. So, they tied him to a post, filled his skin with pine slivers and set them to burning. A witness to it all said he was calmly praying and quite passive as the fire engulfed him.
Reckon in such times does Jesus take the pain for some? Do you think He would have given John peace at the end if he'd have known? Reckon none of us is bound to find out until we are called in our own way to sacrifice for our faith. Seems to me, them times ain't far off right here in our own country and it's sure going on a lot overseas today.
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Post by Paws on Jul 25, 2013 21:32:29 GMT 12.75
Thanks... I read about a Jesuit preacher that came out West to the Dakotas to convert the Indians. It seems he helped himself to to much of their kid's time when they were supposed to be working and learning a warrior/hunter's skills. So, they tied him to a post, filled his skin with pine slivers and set them to burning. A witness to it all said he was calmly praying and quite passive as the fire engulfed him. Reckon in such times does Jesus take the pain for some? Do you think He would have given John peace at the end if he'd have known? Reckon none of us is bound to find out until we are called in our own way to sacrifice for our faith. Seems to me, them times ain't far off right here in our own country and it's sure going on a lot overseas today. You notice I haven't taken down the marquis.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Jul 26, 2013 11:20:05 GMT 12.75
Reckon in such times does Jesus take the pain for some? Do you think He would have given John peace at the end if he'd have known? Reckon none of us is bound to find out until we are called in our own way to sacrifice for our faith. I don't know if Jesus takes the pain but I do know that He will give that person peace of mind that passes all understanding. If Jesus calls upon you to suffer for Him then He will provide a way through it.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jul 26, 2013 19:35:09 GMT 12.75
I was thinking some more on this one while I was out by the horses today.
Seems God might want us to overcome our doubts and fears, but I had it wrong in my head I think. I was questioning why God would want or allow some of His believers to be tortured. Reckon them's choices for us to make, not Him. Just as he gives us the opportunity to be saved, He gives others the opportunity to go to Hell.
Being a Christian or a Muslim is a choice we all make at one time or another. The evil they put upon us ain't God's will, it's their own will according to their messed up view of God's word by listening to that imposter muhomad. We Christians tolerate their hatefulness and it comes back on us.
Dunno if Herod was a Jew or what, but what he had done to John The Baptist surely wasn't God's will. It was an act of evil done by men. But in that moment John was tested in his Faith. I might not be dead on, but I think I got a better grasp of it now.
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Jul 27, 2013 11:42:26 GMT 12.75
You are getting there. God doesn't want anyone to go to hell but He allows people to make that decision. That's called free will. Same thing for torture or persecution. Herod wasn't forced to kill John, but he did. Just like Judas wasn't forced to betray Jesus but he did. You can also say that about a person's beliefs. They can choose to obey/listen to the truth or they can ignore it. There are "religions" in the U.S. today that ignore the truth even though it is spelled out plain as day in the Bible. When they stand before the Lord on judgment day they will have to answer why they refused to listen/obey the truth.
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Post by Paws on Aug 4, 2013 8:03:00 GMT 12.75
Pastor Freddie, when you gonna do something on Job so I can study something I can relate to?
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Aug 5, 2013 12:18:54 GMT 12.75
I wasn't planning on it. But you never know where the Lord will want me to go after I finish Matthew (if I ever get time). I am almost through preaching my way through I Corinthians on Sunday mornings but I don't think the lord wants me to preach through Job.
Are you saying you need patience??? LOL
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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 5, 2013 15:56:39 GMT 12.75
After the week I've had; I can surely relate to what Job went through. The Lord's trying me and I ain't about to give up faith though. He's all I got to get me through...
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Post by Paws on Aug 14, 2013 2:21:12 GMT 12.75
Im having a real tough time now as well. In the valley of decision.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 15, 2013 14:28:40 GMT 12.75
Follow where He leads, Brother... Know you are in my prayers tonight. Gimme a call sometime if you want to fuss...
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