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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 24, 2008 12:41:32 GMT 12.75
Three things!
1, I'm certainly not throwing coals across the fire. I love an outspoken gal!
2, Go easy on the keyboard. I had to get a sandwich and take a nap before I finished reading your responses. Sometimes it's easier to tell us to, "go to hell!" It's less burdensome on the reader and also a message us brutes will understand. ;D
3, Cows are wading in about two feet of water as of yesterday, but it's receding and all survived. Only a little wind and hardly any lightening, just lots and lots of rain.
*Pssst, hey Phil. I'm kinda liking this gal so don't piss her off, okay?
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Post by Paws on Aug 24, 2008 14:23:49 GMT 12.75
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Post by Mars on Aug 24, 2008 15:40:58 GMT 12.75
Always bringing up the Monica Lewinski thing aren't you! ;D ;D
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Post by noodles on Aug 25, 2008 0:07:06 GMT 12.75
Ahhh so that's why Democrats always start wars! They just want to get ahead! Paws, help me out here please. I'm feelin a bit confused. Other than tekno lodgekle ( i hesitate to use a word like progress here, cuz that's what i'm wondrin) increased firepower and protection from it, all the while someun makin boatloads off our money, what advances have we really made?? Where exactly are we trying to go? Or is this all just helpless meandering....our own 40 years(or more) in the desert? Do we have a responsibility to use our collective smarts, what little I may have or ever had, to steer this vehicle clear of the potholes and chart a new course? Constantine Constantine
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Post by Paws on Aug 25, 2008 1:51:00 GMT 12.75
Ahhh the proverbial question; "Am I my brother's keeper?" Absolutely, that's why I built this site in the first place. But as with any "gift" you can not force it upon one. It must be accepted and appreciated for what it is by the recipient. It is imperative that we realize that even while the tiger purrs it still has claws and teeth and vigilantly watch closely to protect ourselves. If we do not survive then how can we assist others to survive? I believe you will find true of the folk here the same that was said of George Patton; ergo, "..a strange mixture of fire and ice..." or more recently the phrase "of steel and velvet" applies. Constantine there isn't a man here who wouldn't sacrifice his own life for the sake of another. At the same time few here would hesitate to take a life to protect their own. Most here have already made that conscious decision and placed themselves in harms way for that very principle. The thing you are wrestling with my friend is this; "Do I do this for them or for me and why don't they appreciate it?" The answer lies in another question; "Do I do this for appreciation/recognition?" Once you answer that question you have grabbed the stone from the hand Grasshopper.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 25, 2008 13:34:23 GMT 12.75
Advances. I suppose we've made advances. We're fighting a war with fewer casualties to our side while keeping civilian casualties to a historic minmum.
I don't care if someone gets fat off the profits. Historically, there's never been a war where someone hasn't profitted. It's immoral, but it happens. The goal, however, is to survive. If we don't survive, as Paws pointed out, how can we be around to continue to help those in need?
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Post by kj on Aug 26, 2008 3:36:31 GMT 12.75
Hi Ya Toby - Thanks for the note attached below. Glad to hear you do okay around outspoken gals. I will try to go easy on the keyboard, but thanks for hangin' in there on that one. I agree that there are some folks that only understand statements like "go to h***" and/or screaming, shouting, throwing things, etc. But it just doesn't work for me for a variety of reasons. Maybe it's the lack of testosterone or the fact that I spent so much of my time in this life as a mother. My boys probably behaved because if they didn't they knew they would have to listen to my philosophical tirades. Course, you guys don't have to read what I write; but it still helps me feel better; like I'm assuming responsibility, speaking up while tyring to respectfully express and assert myself. If I lash out it would certainly be easier but I feel like I'd be perpetuating a conflict mentality and shifting the responsibility onto other folks. But, hey if I just said "go to h***", "you're full of s*** and its views like yours that have gotten us into this mess on the planet...I'd have more time for target shooting ;D I'm glad to hear you, your family, and the cows made it through the downpours. How are your crops holding up? We were blessed with a gentle rain last night, 0.15". ;D I'm trying to reduce the amount that I mow since I've got a gas powered mower (I'm not going to be able to get fuel one of these days and it spews out carbon and other pollutants). But I'm trying to find a balance since mowing helps keep the snakes, ticks, etc., back away from the homestead, keeps the forest from reclaiming the space and disperses seed. I particularly held off mowing recently because of our dry spell; hoping it would help the ground cover survive. It also gave all the clovers, grasses, etc., a chance to go to seed and the turkeys loved it. But I gambled with the weather yesterday as things were getting pretty overgrown. I mowed like a mad-woman to help disperse the seed, lay down some mulch, and increase the chances that any rain would make it to the soil; keeping my fingers crossed all the while. I heard and smelled the blessed rain come in during the middle of the night. I know it's not a whole lot of rain and it's not going to solve the problem but more rain, maybe Fay, is also heading our way later in the week. It's a lovely day here, moist, cloudy, the plants are greening up and it's nice and cool. Praise Be! Thank ye, Thank ye! Three things!
1, I'm certainly not throwing coals across the fire. I love an outspoken gal!
2, Go easy on the keyboard. I had to get a sandwich and take a nap before I finished reading your responses. Sometimes it's easier to tell us to, "go to hell!" It's less burdensome on the reader and also a message us brutes will understand.
3, Cows are wading in about two feet of water as of yesterday, but it's receding and all survived. Only a little wind and hardly any lightening, just lots and lots of rain.
*Pssst, hey Phil. I'm kinda liking this gal so don't piss her off, okay?
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Post by Carter Northcutt on Aug 26, 2008 5:20:47 GMT 12.75
Phil, I just got back from a weekend trip. I was reading through the posts here and it appears that it was me, not you, who pissed her off. I think instead of reading her book I'll wait until the movie comes out. ;D
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Post by Paws on Aug 26, 2008 5:36:23 GMT 12.75
Phil, I just got back from a weekend trip. I was reading through the posts here and it appears that it was me, not you, who pissed her off. I think instead of reading her book I'll wait until the movie comes out. ;D Pissed who off? Whoever it was it probably was you. You have a way with women I wish I could have my way with women. Hey, is it really adultery if she isn't legally an adult? (The book is pretty good.)
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Post by kj on Aug 26, 2008 6:28:38 GMT 12.75
Thanks Mars, you're giving me a good run for my money. It was nice hearing from others on the topic of humanity vs inhumanity and I think I'm ready to give it a go. I could follow Toby's advice but that type of reply doesn't give my ole' brain a whirl and isn't as fun. And, who knows, maybe Mars is right. Mars: I hope not! The human race only thrives on conflict.Through out our history the only real advances have come about because of our inhumanity. The greater the inhumanity the greater our advances.Oh Boy... I really want to hold back on the reins and would really like to hear a few examples of what you consider to be "real advances". "Do I do this for them or for me and why don't they appreciate it?" The answer lies in another question; "Do I do this for appreciation/recognition?" I wrote a paper once for a logic class on altruisim (Unselfish concern for the welfare of others; selflessness). The case I made was that true altruism doesn't exist because when you really get down to it, folks are always selfishly motivated to action. (My prof said he was surprised but he also gave me an A+ on the paper:) Demonstrating our humanity via gifts of compassion and service may have the side benefit of helping others but are we not always doing it for ourselves in some way? Perhaps we feel like we are fulfilling a calling or a directive from God, perhaps we think it will help keep us out of hell, or perhaps we are seeking appreciation and/or recognition, or maybe it just makes us feel good and helps us feel happy or useful on this planet. Does it matter if someone is motivated by the desire for recognition and appreciation? Not if the outcome is still having the benefit of helping others, etc. But, if one's only desire is to get recognition and appreciation than that person will probably be let down with unfillfulled expectations and the feelings of frustration, irritation, and anger will surface and hamper any efforts to be of service. For me, they are not my primary motivators but a bit of recognition and appreciation sure helps me feel valued and cared for...something that most humans need to maintain health, happiness and to sustain their efforts. A little bit goes a very long ways. Toby: Advances. I suppose we've made advances. We're fighting a war with fewer casualties to our side while keeping civilian casualties to a historic minmum.But even that saddens me. Our advances in the arena of body armour may help prevent death but when folks lose limbs and incur brain injuries at an unprecedented rate...can it really be considered a "real advance"? I don't care if someone gets fat off the profits. Historically, there's never been a war where someone hasn't profitted. It's immoral, but it happens. Why don't you care? Excuse me, but that sounds kind of like apathy creepin' into the space. I care when people get fat at the expense of others, at the expense of life on this planet. I care when someone induces suffering on another just to get ahead in this world. War is usually driven by powerful self-centered, short-sighted guys (on both sides of the fence) with a desire for more power, control, profit and/or political gain. They usually have a very good PR/Marketing staff to make all us pions swallow the rationale that it's for some noble goal. (I can't help but wonder if all the sabor rattling going on with Russia isn't part of our political dance in this country. ) I think it's high time that more mothers stand up and say enough is enough boys...such behaviour is unacceptable on this playground! On the other hand, if we are insistent that inhumanity, conflict, and war drives our technological advances and if we know that oil is running out....maybe all the environmentalists and renewable energy advocates should assume a pro-war stance. Heck, why not take the steps needed to personally profit from it as well. So what if a bunch of soldiers come home handicapped and traumatized for life. Also, I've got to agree that the greater the suffering the greater the motivation to change, or advance as Mars shared. The problem is that we are in a time of history like no other and the rules of the game have changed. We can continue down this path thinking we know what is going on however if we choose to stay on this course, or continue to think we don't have a choice due to human nature, than our inhumanity is surely going to increase as people start fighting for food and water. The only problem with that approach is that if we wait for things to get really bad, then we won't have the resources to come up with any 'real advances'. The post-apocolyptic science fiction movies and books probably get the scenario fairly correct. But I am absolutely convinced that we have a choice. The goal, however, is to survive. If we don't survive, as Paws pointed out, how can we be around to continue to help those in need?Well in the short-term I know that I can't be of any assistance if I don't survive but really guys...is that really a very logical goal in the long run? No matter what I do, no matter how well prepared I am...one of these days, I'm going to be another dead body. And, given the catastrophe that is coming our little respective efforts to help those in need are going to be like trying to put bubble gum over a hole in a very big dam. Now, if the goal is for humanity to survive, to assist those in need after we're dead and buried, than that's another story. However, I am aware that there are people who have no interest in seeing humanity survive. There are folks who are looking forward to the apocalypse, looking forward to the rapture and doing everything they can to speed our decline. More inhumanity, more conflict and war, more suffering, more pollution...let's have a good time, make a profit and help make sure the prophesies of the Bible come to pass. After all, we don't have to repent and change our ways since we've been saved. Who knows, perhaps that's the kind of "real advance" that Mars feels is necessary at this time in history. Anything is possible.
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Post by kj on Aug 26, 2008 7:06:45 GMT 12.75
Who's pissed off? I'm just interested!
Let's pray I don't get pissed off cause it's not a pretty sight.
Glad to hear Paws thought the book was pretty good;)
I'll drop you a note when the movie hits the theaters. I'm told it's due for release any day now.
I looked up the definition of adultery recently. Sounds like as long you're not married and/or she's not married you don't have to worry about the sin of adultery.
But, you may have some other things to consider and some unpleasant consequences to deal with...including the fact that mamaka could potentially get pissed off about some ole' geezer having their way with a young sweet thing.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 27, 2008 19:44:01 GMT 12.75
Advances....yep!
"So what if a bunch of soldiers come home handicapped and traumatized for life." - But they're coming home alive!
You can't fight a war without casualties and due to advances in body armor, helmets, training, etc, we've got a lot more soldiers coming home ALIVE! Some horribly disfigured, and some yet who may well have preferred death over survival. But, their alive! I've seen death in many forms and can never accept that being dead is better than being alive. It's one of the all to casual responses you hear when someone speaks of losing a loved one, "he/she's better off!" Nope. I have even said it myself, but from now on I believe I'll be a bit more thoughtful in my comments because deep down...I don't believe that at all.
Advances. Millions of civilians died during WWII across Europe as the US and allies put the final squeeze on the Nazi's. Civilian casualties are at an historic low. Millions may become homeless, perhaps even made ill by the conflict, but they're alive.
Oh, and the crops aren't replanted yet, but the garden's on high ground and won't suffer, but rather benefit from an increase in rain. Pastures are once again high and dry, and if you want to really save on mowing, improve the health of your lawn, if not the apearence...buy a couple of goats! I haven't mowed in a couple of years and my little lawn crew is actually fun to just sit and watch. Some real characters in that herd.
AND I didn't mean to imply Mamaka was pissed, I just asked Phil not to get her that way. He's got a way with wimmen folk!
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Post by Paws on Aug 27, 2008 22:56:50 GMT 12.75
How did you get the goats to eat grass? Mine wouldn't unless I cut it and brought it to her. All she would eat was leaves, brush, and the occasional cat tail when one got too close.
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Post by kj on Aug 28, 2008 2:29:12 GMT 12.75
- But they're coming home alive!Yes, you're absolutely right. It's one of the all to casual responses you hear when someone speaks of losing a loved one, "he/she's better off!" Nope. I have even said it myself, but from now on I believe I'll be a bit more thoughtful in my comments because deep down...I don't believe that at all.Yes, I agree with this as well. Thank you for your straight-forward responses. I really appreciate the dialogue! Oh, and the crops aren't replanted yet, but the garden's on high ground and won't suffer, but rather benefit from an increase in rain. Pastures are once again high and dry, and if you want to really save on mowing, improve the health of your lawn, if not the apearence...buy a couple of goats! I haven't mowed in a couple of years and my little lawn crew is actually fun to just sit and watch. Some real characters in that herd.Glad to hear your crops are okay. When you speak about replanting are you referring to a fall planting or did something happen to your previous crops? Yeah, I've thought about getting critters again; goats, chickens, rabbits, maybe a horse or mule. I had such critters when my boys were growing up. When they left home I figured I might do some world travelling and didn't want to be tethered to critters. I even bought land that was all wooded so I wouldn't be tempted to get animals again and have to worry about maintaining the pastures. But, world travelling isn't so appealing right now, I'm feeling well rooted, and there are certainly some advantages to having critters around. We'll see. Folks are using goats to address so-called invasive plants around here, multiflora rose, honeysuckle and the like. There's even grant money available for electric fencing, etc., so folks can put out their goats in such areas. It might be just a state program but I'll double check to see if it's a federal program or not. I just asked Phil not to get her that way. He's got a way with wimmen folk! Yeah, I suspect he's going to be keeping me on my toes.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 28, 2008 12:42:37 GMT 12.75
"When you speak about replanting are you referring to a fall planting or did something happen to your previous crops?"
Yeah, something happened to them alright. They got harvested and consumed...well, except for the stuff that got canned.
This year we put in a pretty decent variety for our late spring garden and although the ground needs to be turned again, we're kinda in a holding pattern for another couple of weeks until we get past the worst of the heat and rains down here.
Going to put in Collards, Mustards, Spinach, Turnips, Okra, Squash, and a whole bunch of beans such as pole beans, speckled butter beans, string beans, and dad wants to try some navy beans, but I don't know how they'll grow down here. The others do well. We might even save a few rows for black-eyed peas, but we've got so many put up from the last two gardens, I don't really see much of a need.
Got a HUGE pile of rabbit manure to spread on it when we cut it back in. I honestly don't do a lot of the work, my dad and brothers are the real gardeners, but I do get out to poke around with them.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 28, 2008 12:48:39 GMT 12.75
Oh, I did just have the most horrible, heartbreaking experience I've ever had working with livestock. In fact, I'm so upset by it, I don't even want to tell ya right now. Gotta see a lawyer first...
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Post by Pappy on Aug 29, 2008 2:45:30 GMT 12.75
Oh my goodness! That certainly is a lot of words Miss Kathy. Kind of chatty? Oh Ha Ha, Pappy made a funny. Chatty Kathy? And look at the colors! Remember when you used to do that Mr Carter? Mr Paws didn't like it because he can't read the words too easy when they are in color. You sure have a lot in common with Miss Kathy. Oh, and welcome Miss Kathy to Ohio Camp Cooks. I used to work at a hotel for Mr Paws as the General Manager. When it closed Mr Paws hired me here to manage and tend bar. Mr Santa gave me a home up at the North Pole and I help out there during the off season. Has anyone seen Mister Jerry? He is the new Baptist Minister isn't he? Oh Mr Toby, what were you doing with the cattle that requires a lawyer now? Mister Paws told me this story about his goat once, ... I'll finish it in the saloon!
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Post by Carter Northcutt on Aug 29, 2008 14:04:26 GMT 12.75
I don't know what you're talking about Phil.
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Post by Paws on Aug 29, 2008 15:33:29 GMT 12.75
I wish we had a rainbow option. I'd fix your butt, but good!
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Post by Carter Northcutt on Aug 29, 2008 22:37:50 GMT 12.75
Somewhere over the rainbow ;D ;D
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