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Post by Paws on Mar 25, 2011 22:51:10 GMT 12.75
Thought maybe with all the craziness and disaster situations it might be a good idea to tke a fresh look at this subject.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Mar 26, 2011 11:14:29 GMT 12.75
You are correct sir.
You can stockpile dry beans and canned goods, but how long is that going to last ya...really?
It's time for folks to brush up on their hunting and scavenging skills. If ya wanna make it long term, folks re going to have to learn to hunt, fish, and take advantage of seasonal nuts,, berries, fruits and whatever foods can be grown. However, their preservation and storage is going to become MOST important. We all hav to learn, relearn and utilize all the skills our grandparents and Faith Britton use.
Know what I want to learn? Flour making. I got no access to wheat, but I know the health food stores have flour made from nuts. What's the process to convert pecans and hickory nuts to flour? Do you have to bake ' em or dehydrate 'em or what before grinding them?
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Post by Paws on Mar 26, 2011 20:33:26 GMT 12.75
I figure one needs enough "ready to eat" stored or in the field to last over two growing seasons plus enough seed for three or four. I try to store non-perishible goods that I normally eat in one form or another to achieve those goals. I'm thinking that moving as much off the grid as possible is also going to be beneficial and in fact, if the world stands long enough, I expect a mass move of self produced/generated power moving away from utility services.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Mar 27, 2011 15:20:14 GMT 12.75
You been visiting with Kathy???
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Post by brittonfaith on Mar 27, 2011 15:31:50 GMT 12.75
I think he has. What I wanna learn is hide tanning. There ought to be plenty of them available from all the beasts this crew is hunting and raising for vittles. Good leather is almost as valuable as good food.
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Post by Paws on Mar 27, 2011 23:22:43 GMT 12.75
You are correct sir. You can stockpile dry beans and canned goods, but how long is that going to last ya...really? It's time for folks to brush up on their hunting and scavenging skills. If ya wanna make it long term, folks re going to have to learn to hunt, fish, and take advantage of seasonal nuts,, berries, fruits and whatever foods can be grown. However, their preservation and storage is going to become MOST important. We all have to learn, relearn and utilize all the skills our grandparents and Faith Britton use. Know what I want to learn? Flour making. I got no access to wheat, but I know the health food stores have flour made from nuts. What's the process to convert pecans and hickory nuts to flour? Do you have to bake ' em or dehydrate 'em or what before grinding them? I would think that they would need to be tapped for their oil before the meat could be ground into flour else they would end up like peanut butter! Corn would be a better bet for flour I think Toby because of the volume available for self production.
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Post by Paws on Mar 27, 2011 23:25:28 GMT 12.75
I think he has. What I wanna learn is hide tanning. There ought to be plenty of them available from all the beasts this crew is hunting and raising for vittles. Good leather is almost as valuable as good food. You got to chew it Indian style Faith! Lots of info available on tanning on the net but you done burned all your trees so that lets oak tanning out, guess you'll have to use brains!
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Post by Paws on Mar 27, 2011 23:32:18 GMT 12.75
You been visiting with Kathy??? No sir but I know the time is right for the transition. The price of converting to wind and solar generated electricity is doable now and the output can easily handle a single family home with modest investment. Sorage has improved tremendously and costs there are coming down. Still I saw some asshole "Economist/Investment Expert" touting investment into the energy production companies because "they" would be doing conversions to produce energy for retail sales to their customers. If AEP can make a profit then I ado it at home and do it for free. If things work out that I end up staying here I plan on an artesian well also and maybe save a few bucks on water during my last ten or fifteen years on planet. Oh, KJ is selling worm poop at the Farmer's Market now. She wouldn't quote me a per turd price.
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Post by brittonfaith on Mar 28, 2011 2:48:11 GMT 12.75
..............We all hav to learn, relearn and utilize all the skills our grandparents and Faith Britton use............... Toby, you been sipping on that medicated milk replacer again?? I'm honored that you'd include me in with "our grandparents". But, seriously, I am more part of the "we all" - all us poor summabiches who are just trying to get by in this ol' this world.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Mar 28, 2011 8:54:13 GMT 12.75
..............We all hav to learn, relearn and utilize all the skills our grandparents and Faith Britton use............... Toby, you been sipping on that medicated milk replacer again?? I'm honored that you'd include me in with "our grandparents". But, seriously, I am more part of the "we all" - all us poor summabiches who are just trying to get by in this ol' this world. Perhaps, but you got more rattling around in that noggin of yours than you give yerself credit for. If the economy went belly up today...the Brittons would come out just fine while the rest of Ohio starved to death! Hide tanning? Easy! I'll get ya a link to a super easy way to do it.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Mar 28, 2011 9:03:20 GMT 12.75
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Post by Paws on Mar 28, 2011 11:01:40 GMT 12.75
Toby, you been sipping on that medicated milk replacer again?? I'm honored that you'd include me in with "our grandparents". But, seriously, I am more part of the "we all" - all us poor summabiches who are just trying to get by in this ol' this world. Perhaps, but you got more rattling around in that noggin of yours than you give yerself credit for. If the economy went belly up today...the Brittons would come out just fine while the rest of Ohio starved to death! Hide tanning? Easy! I'll get ya a link to a super easy way to do it. You know if/when the economy does go tits up folk who have been surviving on the fringe via their own industry and sweat will be those who make out the best leaving a whole lot of "class leaders" in the dust and looking for something to eat.
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Post by Paws on Mar 28, 2011 21:53:36 GMT 12.75
Gret site. Hey Toby, I noticed that "somebody" has started selling Kitty Litter buckets for storage and some are coming packed with food and grain. Lehman's, the folk sponsoring the Ohio Dutch Oven Enthusiasts shindig are selling a really nice stainless lard can for about twenty bucks. I use my left over kitty litter buckets lined with a heavy plastic bag for beans, grain, pasta, and dehydrated goods. They come in handy for long term storage of gear and utensils, medical supplies, batteries and I have propane, butane, canned heat, kerosene, and alcohol in them as well. They help with organization as the lids can be labeled for easy content identification and the buckets are stackable.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Mar 30, 2011 9:49:54 GMT 12.75
Never thought of kitty litter buckets.... Dad and I got lucky a few months ago and got a whole pile of them 2.5 gallon icing buckets from behind the Publix in Inverness. They all have lids, about fifteen of them. They buy their cake icing for the bakery in those white pails and they're great for storage. Mom has a few of them holding rice n beans already, the others are put away or being used to feed the calves. Chatted briefly with Kathy on FB and she's about to attempt the flour from nuts project I want to try and her question is the same; how to get rid of the oil. If I could, I'd rather save the oil and was thinking chop up the nuts and try to sqeeze it out. What ya'll think?
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Post by Paws on Mar 30, 2011 10:34:19 GMT 12.75
I surely would not waste the oil. Lehman's has seed and nut presses designed to extract oils. One has a built in heating thingie to get out more oil. I was also thinking about fresh greens. No way I know to preserve things like lettuce, radishes, like that. Think maybe I'm setting up an indoor and outdoor grow operation just for such things. A small set up ought to be good for a variety of leaf greens, radish, green onion, and maybe sprouts, even some herbs.
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Post by Two Tales on Mar 30, 2011 15:20:45 GMT 12.75
Pressing is the most common method of removing oil from nuts and seeds, if you just grind them you end up with a paste (like peanut butter) boiling and skimming is another method but not good for recovery of the meat..(there are also chemical means)....once the nuts are pressed the meat is then dried an ground into flour...the oils are left to settle then either filtered or siphoned into to bottles...
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Post by brittonfaith on Mar 31, 2011 15:33:31 GMT 12.75
Thanks for the link. Yep, lots of great stuff there. Will have to check it all out when I get to feeling more up to par.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jun 16, 2011 20:24:26 GMT 12.75
Ya'll ever thought about a hydroponic setup? There's a guy in Dade City that's got a couple large garages setup producing strawberries and tomatoes fresh, year round. It's pretty awesome. You could do something like that in a spare room and even during the coldest of ya'lls Yankee winters you could still have fresh fruit and veggies! ;D
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Post by Paws on Jun 18, 2011 2:43:57 GMT 12.75
I already got one. Rain leaks through the roof where I catch it in recycled litter buckets and use it to feed the mold and the fungus growing in the rug!
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jun 18, 2011 7:14:50 GMT 12.75
Atta boy! Waste not...
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