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Post by Paws on Apr 21, 2006 2:21:32 GMT 12.75
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Post by Paws on May 9, 2006 9:00:35 GMT 12.75
It's here It's here! I love it. I found Charlie Wooster's thumb print!! ;D
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Post by brittonfaith on May 9, 2006 9:32:59 GMT 12.75
;D ;D HOORAY!!!!!!! ;D ;D
My pan came today too. ;D No thumb prints though. Only a wooden handle that's been in the fire once or thrice. Other than that she's a beaut! Got all kinds of plans for it!
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Post by Paws on May 15, 2006 16:48:02 GMT 12.75
First let me build my case. I decided to get my hands on some Wagon Train DVDs to see if I could find a picture of my frypan. Guess what!! In the episode entitled "The Malachi Hobart Story" I found it! Plain as day, clear as a bell and without a doubt. How do I know? First the picture quality is a dead ringer. Lastly, I noted the property tag. It contains the number of frypans in the closet; "1"! Now for the really interesting stuff. See if you can tell who the little lady is in the pics! ;D Here I found the pan in this picture by "backtracking" the actor's motions. Who is this lady swinging "my" frypan? Any Ideas? Maybe this will help "Come and listen to my story bout a man named Jed..." Yep, in the flesh "Granny" or Irene Ryan!! ;D
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Post by brittonfaith on May 15, 2006 18:06:35 GMT 12.75
By George! I think you got it! Just don't be taking any hints off Granny and go swinging that thing towards me! ;D Just curious though. I really couldn't tell from the eBay pics. Is it iron? It kind of looked like a steel one. I don't know...maybe just the way the handle's made. What do I know though. Steel or iron, I'm sure you'll treasure it just the same. ;D ;D
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Post by Paws on May 15, 2006 18:19:20 GMT 12.75
It is steel, stamped and rolled. In the day it would have been called "new steel". When the new steel came out it was very inexpensive and much lighter than the cast iron of course. It therefore became very popular with the soldier, rancher, cattleman, drover, and trail chefs. The one or two drawbacks were the tendency to warp when it was overheated and if solder was used to join the handle it would tend to melt and the handle might fall off. These problems were overcome through engineering and craftsmanshijp and by forming the cut and folded handles as contained on my pan. The soldiers would pool their money, usually two bits each, to get the dollar needed to buy one of these, usually an 8 or 9 inch version, and share it for cooking their meal. This group took on the term "mess" or "mess mates". These pans were much better than the tin plated plates and canteen halves the soldiers were fashioning into makeshift skilets and frypans. By the late 1800s the "Spider" frypan, not to be confused with the generic "spider" or Dutch oven was being manufactured complete with a spider logo in the handle. I have one of these in the barn. Dave Smith, The Pan Man, indicates that it is worth around $3,000.00. It doesn't get out much but I may need to include it with my display. The Wagon Train pan will make a nice pairing of the two pans.
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Post by Paws on May 15, 2006 18:42:30 GMT 12.75
Hey Faith where did your aluminum pan pictures go? I came back to get a closer look to see could I identify them. I think they are Griswold Wagner transition pieces. Right at 1959/60. Maybe earlier. I tried to get an aluminum oval roaster (Wagner) down at Rink's Flea Market in Belpre and the guy got wind I was after it and jacked the price up to $85.00 which is about the right value; but, he had it marked at $20.00 when I had no cash on me
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Post by brittonfaith on May 16, 2006 1:02:58 GMT 12.75
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Post by Paws on May 16, 2006 1:30:07 GMT 12.75
Thanks Faith! Not what I thought but really nice. By the way, you should be arrested cause you stole that pan! ;D
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Post by brittonfaith on May 16, 2006 7:04:38 GMT 12.75
Stole? I thought $9.99 was outrageous! Especially for an opening bid. But I'd go that much for a truly versatile item. ;D Have you ever seen this logo before? It's a new one to me.
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Post by Paws on May 21, 2006 9:17:32 GMT 12.75
No I sure have not. Maybe old Dave Smith will see this and give us some insight. ;D
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Post by brittonfaith on May 24, 2006 4:21:17 GMT 12.75
I posted the pics and info on the WAGS and GCICA boards last week. So far, nobody has a clue about this maker.
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Post by Two Tales on May 24, 2006 20:05:16 GMT 12.75
I believe they were the predisesors of WearEver Aluminum cookware..at least Wearever made some of the "Steam-Tite" Cookware in the late 40s and early to mid 50s....
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Post by brittonfaith on May 25, 2006 3:26:40 GMT 12.75
The only leads I've had thus far is:
"Wagner purchased the Sidney Hollow Ware Foundry around 1897. They realized the Sidney Hollow Ware line was hurting the Wagner Hollow Ware Sales around 1903 and sold the company back to Philip Smith.
Wagner added aluminum utensils, and made improvements in "aluminum cookware," and sent to market a line of seamless cast aluminum ware that was of a heavier weight. This aluminum ware was so successful that they went on to produce a large line of aluminum ware, including ramekins, scoops, molds, utensils and coffee and teapots. Wagner Ware captured many prizes for their fine aluminum ware.
The Randall Company of Cincinnati, Ohio acquired Wagner Manufacturing Company in 1953.
In October of 1957, the Wagner Division of Randall Company purchased the Griswold Cookware Line from McGraw Edison.
In 1959, Textron Inc acquired the Randall Company."
Being that this pan was patented in '24 by a company located in Cincinnati, I'm wondering if this isn't a predecessor to Wagner aluminum.
What y'all think? Maybe??
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Post by Paws on May 25, 2006 3:36:08 GMT 12.75
My guess is that it is one of the companies that went out of business in WW II when aluminum was at a premium and so scarce you could only buy it if you were building aircraft. Both Griswold and Wagner were buying patents like candy and many ended up with (I'll probably mess this up) American Household Products (or something like that) which was predominantly what was left over from Wagner circa 1968 ish.
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Post by brittonfaith on May 25, 2006 3:46:42 GMT 12.75
;D ;D All righty, then! I'll name this pan Wright-Patt! ;D ;D
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