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Post by kj on Sept 8, 2008 2:08:48 GMT 12.75
Two Tales wrote: ...but about 45+ years ago this did in fact happen right there in the good ol' Buckeyebut it is because of situations like this and other such disaster that future occurrence can be avoided (as we live we must learn)...thank you for your time and efforts.You are most welcome. For some strange reason, I enjoy running through worse case scenarios. It sounded like a pretty realistic scenario, and given Ohio I'm not surprised that something very similar actually happened here. Things improved, people/responders learned but the sad thing is that many of the safety regulations and enforcement protocols that came into being after such accidents are having their legs cut out from under them. Moreover, as I've ranted and raved earlier, our emergency response partners aren't up to snuff in terms of the plans and intra-agency operations. Mars wrote: With a nuke plant 5 miles to my right, the countries largest Army ammunition plant and storage 5 miles to my left and Oak Ridge to my front it's kinda hard to get worked up over a fire and contaminated water. Survive, I hope not!Ooftah. Yeah, I grew up during the cold war in North Dakota surrounded by Anti-ballistic missle silos. We were near the geographic center of North America which meant we were going to be the first to go in a nuclear war. I too had no desire to survive such an incident. I really didn't think I'd make it to my 18th birthday so my emphasis was on having a good time. I guess my apocalyptic leanings can be traced back to those realities. Going up in a ball of light and a poof of smoke is definitely the easy way out. The slow decline of our civilization and the increasing pressures on our environment over the past 40 yrs is like a slow painful death. What's hard for me is the reality of the increased suffering that is on its way and the legacy that we're leaving those that will come behind us. If folks could just over ride all the debate and disagreement to take a risk management approach, take the bulls by the horn, I truely believe we could steer this life raft down a different course. However, denial, short-term thinking and immediate gratification still holds sway and I agree that most people just don't want to learn to live differently. I think a lot of my writing and my efforts have been geared toward attempting to inspire a catalytic social change on behalf of our future generations. But, my efforts thus far appear to be ineffective so it's time to take a different approach. I'm re-evaluating my quality of life, what I have to offer and as the path ahead becomes clearer I've been enjoying the target shooting. I'm also enjoying reading about what folks are doing to get ready for hunting season, the talking deer, the blinds, the calls, etc.
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Post by Paws on Sept 8, 2008 6:30:57 GMT 12.75
While one may sow, another may water, and another may weed and tend, yet still another reaps. Patience.
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Post by kj on Sept 17, 2008 8:00:04 GMT 12.75
Hey folks...
A worse case scenario is unfolding around us and many of us don't even see that we're pawns in the whole mess.
I am privy to a few lists where people are at each other throats over politrix. I would even like to follow up in conversation about the expressions posted here regarding Palin, Obama, Venzuela, etc. however, I don't feel comfortable or even safe. Guard dogs appear ready to attack unless everything stated goes along with the party line.
The other list I am on has revealed the depths that people will go, including a very high degree of disrespect, intolerance and hate. Folks are being attacked and their lives endangered while at the same time there are those who are chuckling over the level of control the media has over us.
Good friends, working together toward good community things...are now attacking each other. It's ridiculous and paints Americans and Christians in a very dark evil light.
Anyways...I fear it forebodes what is to come and it's time to hunker down.
At the same time, due to the general flavor of this group, the appreciation for history, the ability to look at things like Ruby Ridge, Waco, etc. I feel compelled to venture forth into this territory to a minor degree. I ain't no poet but the following may come close to expressing the view from this little hill:
People on the right, People on the left; Some say lies, some say facts... Fantasies and illusions; Concocted feed for the masses.
Blind sheep, obedient guard dogs pitted against each other; pre-programmed intolerance and manipulated statistics... consenting participants in a doomed scenario.
Pawns on a chess board; Two parties, one game. Divide and conquer tactics, Diversionary plays.
Democratic, Republican McCain/Palin, Obama/Biden Neither party is solely responsible. Neither party has the solution.
Sacrificing our values, attacking each other, believing in fabricated illusions, all to perpetuate a self-destructive game.
Blind sheep on either side, closed-minded, unable to carry-on diverse conversations, guard dogs standing ready to attack, society willingly heading for the slaughterhouse.
Where are the noble, courageous and patriotic Americans? What happened to independent, free thinking, respectful dialogue? What happened to our values? What happened to the fantasy of Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all... one Nation indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
Is it all just one big lie? Is it all just a reflection of the reality of Zeitgeist?
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Post by Paws on Sept 17, 2008 13:55:35 GMT 12.75
Weeeeellllll sort of. It is greed, thirst for power, pure incarnate evil, blind sheep, etc, etc oh plus "all of the above!" KJ people aren't interested in the truth unless it makes them feel good, gives them something for free, or is sensationalized to the point that it makes their eyes pop. Folk never went to see Evil Knieval to witness his skill and talent; rather with the hope of blood on the track. I'd surely like to say that people are born inherantly good but then I'd point out that they had to be taught to lie. ;o I don't think that we are in the middle of a crisis rather nearer to the end on one.
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Post by kj on Jan 31, 2009 9:10:06 GMT 12.75
News from Ohio:
Sorry to hear Paws lost electrical service, is it back on? How about you other ohioans...everybody okay?
We are doing fine with our solar electric system, wood stove and food stores, etc. Both of our phone lines are down but we've maintained communication via HAM radio, autopatch and internet. We've been busy cutting fallen trees, clearing the driveway, etc. Constantine has been doing most of the chainsawing. I am thankful for the chainsaw but figure I best get some good hand timbering tools one of these days...soon.
Here are some reports from our area related to this natural disaster, HAM radio and Red Cross shelters:
Friday, January 30, 2009 Athens 911 Dispatch Console: The Athens County Commissioners passed a Disaster Resolution. Shelters are now open at the Athens Rec. Center and Hocking College.
Thursday, January 29, 2009 The recent WX has caused a lot of problems in Hocking County: Level Three Snow Emergency; Power is out to all of the county; 70% are without phone service and there is no cell service operating. They have hams staffing their EOC and a Red Cross shelter in Logan. They have adequate staffing for now, but their HAM operators may need some relief over the next couple of days. If any of you might be willing and available to go to Hocking County to relieve some of their operators, please let me know days and times. I would like to have a call list available should he make a request for assistance.
As of now, I am not aware of any activations for Athens County although a good part of northern Athens County is still without power. Nelsonville, Chauncey and the Glouster/Trimble/Jacksonville are out and may not be back on until Saturday PM or Sunday AM. Jeff Slattery, ARRL/ARES District Emergency Coordinator, Ohio Section District 8
Thursday, January 29, 2009 The Athens County Chapter Red Cross has moved its shelter operations from the chapterhouse on May Ave to the City Rec Center on East State Street. At this time, we are relying on phone service for communications and have not deployed any amateur radio operators to that shelter. I am monitoring the Athens HAM radio repeater and have been coordinating any radio communications as needed.
Depending on need, the Red Cross may open an additional shelter in northern Athens County. Due to the lack of phone service in that area, we will probably need ham radio operators to work at that shelter. At this time, I have two volunteers ready to be called out for duty and could use more. If you would be available to work at a shelter in the next few days, please let me know.
The weather will remain cold and it appears this situation will continue for several days. Many areas are expected to be without power until Saturday or Sunday or beyond. This means we may need volunteers for several days to come. We will need all hours covered, including overnights. Let me know if you would be available. Jim Crouse, American Red Cross, Athens Chapter Radio Communications
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Post by kj on Jan 31, 2009 9:14:07 GMT 12.75
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Post by Paws on Jan 31, 2009 13:55:25 GMT 12.75
My power was restored after a day and a half or so. I'm in good shape with a ten day supply of propane in the main tank and backup propane and butane heaters; probably can handle a total of 12 to 14 days before going to wood or refuel. Plenty of food in house but need meds. Going to try to get out tomorrow and pick those up and maybe do a little resupply as well. Checked around the neighborhood and with the church and only a couple of problems that needed attention have been resolved. I have a large limb on the wires at our house next door; reported but AEP has not responded. They are busy. Hey, now would be a good time to employ those "Illegal Aliens" productively! The good news is that I managed to get the Dodge cleaned out needing the propane bottles and butane burners for positioning!
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Post by brittonfaith on Feb 1, 2009 7:55:43 GMT 12.75
Sounds as though I should have done some community service to you all while I was over in Albany today. Rest assured, utility crews are out there working on the problems. I only passed 100 or so power trucks between Oak Hill and Albany. There were another 50 between Albany and McAurtur. Right now, a crew from that state up north is setting up a staging area in the Oak Hill Library parking lot. As long as they don't block me in......
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Post by Paws on Feb 1, 2009 21:27:44 GMT 12.75
Sounds as though I should have done some community service to you all while I was over in Albany today. Rest assured, utility crews are out there working on the problems. I only passed 100 or so power trucks between Oak Hill and Albany. There were another 50 between Albany and McAurtur. Right now, a crew from that state up north is setting up a staging area in the Oak Hill Library parking lot. As long as they don't block me in...... Well now I don't know about "over in Albany" but if you want to do some "community service" for me in Grove City, I'll provide the weapon and a mileage allowance. FYI Wally World is plumb out of one pound propane cannisters. They have a good supply of candles, lamp oil and a few hurricane lamps on the shelves. Their propane is supposed to be restocked next week. On one of the other threads somebody, I think it was AZSlim told how to make an alcohol lamp using sand in a tin can saturated with alcohol. This actually works pretty well producing both heat and light. Don't discount the old Sterno stoves, carbide products, (Lehman's has an inventory of beautiful carbide lamps), and chemical fuels available in military surplus outlets either. The smallest survival stove I own is smaller than a silver dollar, folds up even smaller and uses fuel bars and pellets and puts out enough heat to boil a pint of water in a couple of minutes or so. I'm going to start a new thread in the survival area here for your input. I hope the information you provide is helpful to KJs efforts.
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Post by Mars on Feb 2, 2009 6:02:08 GMT 12.75
All Y'all make me glad to be living here! We get winter and cold but it only lasts a few days. Today it's supposed to get in the mid 50's but then back down into the 30's by mid week then back up again. Daffodills are up about 3 inches so spring is right around the corner. ;D
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Post by Toby Benoit on Feb 2, 2009 18:44:49 GMT 12.75
No natural disasters on account of it, but my area's experienced the longest sustained cold weather in decades. More below freezing days during January since the late seventies! More cold weather is on the way down. Thank God Al Gore and the democrats invented Global Warming or I suspect we'd have frozen solid!
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Post by Paws on Feb 3, 2009 0:43:43 GMT 12.75
Yesterday it was 60 plus most of the day. The passive solar gain kicked the house up past 84 with a nice toasty 78 remaining at bedtime. This morning it was 69 in the living room with the furnace set for 68. That should stretch my gas for another day or so.
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Post by brittonfaith on Feb 3, 2009 4:25:47 GMT 12.75
Man, you trying to burn yourself up or something?? I haven't had the thermostate set past 66 all winter. Usually I'll turn it down to 60 at night. Still plenty warm enough. Just think - If it were 60 during the night in, say August, you'd probably have the windows open and the sheets thrown off the bed. It's called wearing clothes! Oh yeah - I gotta start telling my better half about that one. He comes home this time and strats punching that thermostat button, I'm gonna cut off his danged digits! Mars, if the daffys are coming up down where you are, then spring will be right on time up here. There's a little over 4 weeks weeks difference in the seasons between us.
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Post by Mars on Feb 3, 2009 10:01:36 GMT 12.75
Toby, we are having the coldest, snowest winter in decades as well. This winter knocked the average temp of 53 completely out. We have electric heat but by next year I'll have something else as a backup. With a handicapped wife I don't like letting it get cold here. I have a chimney(pipe) and a tiled area for a wood stove that was probaly the original heat source for this house so I may get a potbelly stove but more likely I'll get a kerosene heater. I like the idea of wood though because I could run out of kerosene but with the national forest I have an ample supply of wood if needed.
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Post by Paws on Feb 3, 2009 12:31:19 GMT 12.75
Old p-0eople got thin skin and cold bones. Besides the cats like it warm.
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Post by brittonfaith on Feb 20, 2009 8:02:07 GMT 12.75
Need suggestions here.
I want to have my chicken house lit for better egg production in the cold months. I'll have windows, but they will most likely be covered over in the winter. I don't want to got to the hassle of hooking up electric to the shed and or running an extension cord 120-ft across the drive way. I've been thinking about solar lighting out there. How much light do those LED shed light thingys put out? Will they light up all night long? I'd require the equivalent output of a 100W incandescent bulb. Are there any solar lights on the market that are similar to the solar motion-activated security lights, but without the motion sensor?
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Post by Mars on Feb 20, 2009 15:45:51 GMT 12.75
To get the most out of them you should also go ahead and pen them up. Unless you plan on buying or hatching replacement chicks each year I wouldn't push them for eggs in the winter. Any hen will only produce a set number of eggs before she dries up and pushing them during the winter causes that to happen around one year instead of a usual 3. Of course after that they are broiler birds. FYI, my hens started laying about 3 weeks ago and the daffodils have buds on them and should bloom in a few days. I didn't kill my hens like I planned to do because at this time I want the eggs more then the meat. I have my old english rooster penned up with my barred rock hen and my daughters favorite hen from her 4H chickens.
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