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Post by frodo on Oct 10, 2008 12:28:31 GMT 12.75
hello . i have a 20 year plus dutch oven, that has been in the garage, and abandened. i want to bring it back to life and cook with it, it has a lot of rust. but is still sound. any suggestions as to how to clean it up and put it back into commision? i have not done anything to it,cause i don't want to ruin it. how do i get the rust gone? should i have it sandblasted? and then cure it?
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Post by Two Tales on Oct 10, 2008 12:58:13 GMT 12.75
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Post by Two Tales on Oct 10, 2008 20:51:35 GMT 12.75
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Post by Paws on Oct 10, 2008 21:41:42 GMT 12.75
Where are you located Frodo, might be somebody around that has one of those gizmos already put together. Welcome to Ohio Camp Cooks!
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Post by frodo on Oct 11, 2008 9:00:27 GMT 12.75
i am located in m eye crooked letter crooked letter eye crooked letter crooked letter eye humpback humpback eye. ;D or you might call it mississippi. 5 minutes after i posted this. i saw the other post on this subject and it says it all. it was really interesting. i did look on the underside of the lid, and saw no 12 and 13 1/2 inch. does this identify the pot, and what is it? is it a good one? and what is its value? i would just like to know it is a member of the family, and won't be sold. i have a full set of c.i skillets, i am looking for lids now. i have one skillet that is for corn bread only! they are great..
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Post by Paws on Oct 11, 2008 10:38:53 GMT 12.75
If it works it is worth a great deal! What does the underside of the lid llook like? Does it have rows of teats, a wavy line, concentric circles, nothing or what. Look at the handle ofn the lid. Is one side thick and drawn across to a thinner side? Is it a loop, "D", or what? Look at the bail. Does it lock in position? Describe how it is connected to the sides of the pot. Does it have legs or not? etc.
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Post by frodo on Oct 11, 2008 13:14:15 GMT 12.75
i do not have it in my hand its in the barn, but yes there are a bunch of tits under the lid, and the handle is bent thick wire i think i 'll go get it and get back ok...i am back. the lid.. has dimples instead of tits and they are in a round pattern,bunches of them.. with the no 12 and 13 1/2 in the middle the top of it, the handle looks like it was heated and bent around.it is thicker on one side than the other. the top and bottom are a tight fit. the bottom does not have feet, smooth bottom. it has a wire for the handle. it is bent around in a eye fashion. i have pinged it. no cracks. sound as the day it was made. clean this dude up and make some chili!! it looks like the one in your picture. what you think...is it a keeper?
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Post by Two Tales on Oct 11, 2008 15:20:32 GMT 12.75
from your discription it do sound like you got yourself a wagner...can't and will not confirm this until you get the bottom all cleaned up...is it stamped any place USA possibly? if you can post a couple of pics it would help...
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Post by frodo on Oct 11, 2008 15:26:24 GMT 12.75
i will be working on getting it cleaned up. is the stamp on the bottom? i am sure it is. i will work it to morrow
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Post by Paws on Oct 11, 2008 15:41:15 GMT 12.75
Yep it sounds like a Wagner about 1958/60 vintage. That "Drip Drop" lid finish was a trademark and feature of Wagner about the time Wagner and Griswold combined. There for a while the Wagner pieces didn't have logos imprinted in some of their pieces. The pot size number and dimensions printed together is another indication that it is probably a Wagner. I'll see if I can find some ball park figure for it in one of Dave's books.
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Post by frodo on Oct 11, 2008 15:51:44 GMT 12.75
thanks paws...i turnrd it upside down and spit on it. rubbed it wiyh my paw. and yes it says made right here 58/60 huh? thats good i hope its 58. thats when i was made! see ya tomorrow
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Post by frodo on Oct 13, 2008 7:35:02 GMT 12.75
hey paw...i was over at wagner and griswold society and there was a guy that had a do like mine, except his was a #8 he says his is a birmingham stove and range co. do which is i think what you said, a wagner, sence birmingham got bougyt up by wagner. from what i understand there was so much buying of each other, that who did what for a couple of years is kinda hazy. is this your understanding also.
oh. and while i am cleaning it up. i found a 12 on the bottom of pot.directly across from made in the usa. good stuff is this thing worth more than i have in it, which is zero?
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Post by Paws on Oct 13, 2008 10:10:43 GMT 12.75
Yes, Wagner bought up some operations and eventually all of the name brands ended up under Wagner and Griswold. Then when they merged thery even produced iron with both of the logos on it for a while. Then, no logos at all for the Wagner brands , just numbers With the 12s on both pieces it is a good bet that the pot and lid are original mates. I'd still like to see a pictue of it. It doesn't have a handle like a frying pan right, just a wire bail? You'll be able to tell more when you get it cleaned and seasoned. Go ahead and give it a diluted vinegar soak say for a couple of hours . Then hit it with one of those green scrubbie pads (a wire brush is OK done gently) and see if that won't get rid of the rust. Rinse it real good in clear water and then with baking soda solution and then clear water again. Repeat that process until the rust is gone and then season it immediately. Might take a day or to to get it cleaned up.
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Post by frodo on Oct 13, 2008 12:32:14 GMT 12.75
i don't know paws,,knowing my pa in law the way i do. i would bet the two peices are a match, and the bail wire is original. he is not the type of person to loose anything . accept i did slip in there real quite like and snatch his daughter . he didn't see that one commen. . i will get a picture some how. it might be a week. but i'll get it
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Post by Paws on Oct 13, 2008 14:11:36 GMT 12.75
Well I just finished lookin at my list of catalog numbers for Wagner products and I can not find a Dutch Oven number 12 13 1/2 inch in the mess. So it is probably not a Wagner although the catalog list is expanded often due to new discoveries. In any case, if it will cook it is worth a fortune!
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Post by Two Tales on Oct 15, 2008 17:07:26 GMT 12.75
It might be one of them Wapak pieces, it don't need to say the name to make it so, there was a bunch of pirating going on back then or one company would buy the molds/patterns from one of the other companies and not put names on them only numbers wagner did this so did wapak and some of the other lesser known names...one thing I would need to ask what does the ears (the place were the bail connects to the DO) look like??
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Post by frodo on Oct 16, 2008 0:49:39 GMT 12.75
the ears 3/8 inch thick, it looks molded not attached there 3 inch long at the pot the tab is 7/8 wide and it tapers to 3 inch it has 2 holes for the bail they are 1/2 inch by 7/8 holes there is a lip all around the DO the pig ears are set just under it where the tab connects to the pot, it is rounded or flared
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Post by frodo on Oct 16, 2008 1:06:31 GMT 12.75
the tab across from the spout.. it is 1 3/4 long at the pot. 1 3/8 at the end after the flare. it is 3/4 wide and 1/4 inch thick it is like the ears as that it is thicker on the pot and then narrows out to 1/4 inch thick on the pot it is3/4 inch at the thickest point
the spout itself, looks like the pot was dented a little bit are there any sites with pictures of DO's that i can look at
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Post by Paws on Oct 16, 2008 4:19:28 GMT 12.75
the tab across from the spout.. it is 1 3/4 long at the pot. 1 3/8 at the end after the flare. it is 3/4 wide and 1/4 inch thick it is like the ears as that it is thicker on the pot and then narrows out to 1/4 inch thick on the pot it is3/4 inch at the thickest point the spout itself, looks like the pot was dented a little bit are there any sites with pictures of DO's that i can look at Spout??? Pots don't have spouts, deep skillets might. No grab on handle huh? Hmmmm..... Beats the hell out of me!
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Post by frodo on Oct 16, 2008 9:07:23 GMT 12.75
;D :-/well just what the heck do you call the indentation that you pour liquid out of? and directly across from it. the tab that i guess you hold to pour? the same indentation that is on the picture of the do under your name. i do not know what the hell its called, spout sounded good to me. the pour thingingey or the do-hickey. or the thingama jig and i don't know what a grab on handle is you guys have been great, trying to figure out what this is damn hard, when dealing with some one that doesnot know what the pats and peices are called. but i am learning be patient with me, i might get smart on ya
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