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Post by Rich on Nov 19, 2004 10:04:33 GMT 12.75
Here is the scenario. You are hunting and you see a doe that has apparently been shot and wounded. She is limping pretty bad and doesn't seem to be able to run at all. You can't tell exactly where she was hit but you can tell that she cannot put full weight on her left front leg. Twice she stumbles and falls.
Now deer season is open but you do not have a doe tag. Would you put her out of her misery or just let nature take its own course?
What do you think is legal and what do you think is right?
Rich
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Post by Mars on Nov 19, 2004 11:43:11 GMT 12.75
Been there, done that. Legal wise you are supposed to let it go and go call a CO to come and dispose of it if it's still around several hours later when he gets there. I on the other hand shot said deer and then called the CO, fortunately I had an understanding CO. Though illegal it was and is the right thing to do however I wouldn't count on all of them to respond like that. Listened on the scanner at work and heard a similar tale. Man shot a buck that upon retrieving it was found to have been shot before and had a major "infection". Man didn't want said deer anymore. CO issued him another permit and took the deer. Man wanted the rack, CO rightfully told him the rack goes with the deer, no deer=no rack.
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Post by Paws on Nov 19, 2004 12:31:38 GMT 12.75
Rich if you are in the Wayne National Forest area you call the CO and ask for Officer Toki. Upon his arrival you shoot him then take the doe to the nearest vet!
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Post by Rich on Nov 19, 2004 14:44:24 GMT 12.75
Phil,
You always find a way to just crack me up. I guess I need to hear more about Officer Toki. Sounds like he must be one mean S.O.B. He isn't related to Stanley by any chance is he???
Rich
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Post by Buckeye on Nov 20, 2004 5:14:30 GMT 12.75
First of all, I think the right thing would be to shoot the doe. However the right thing doesn't always mean the legal thing and I may be inclined to let the deer walk as I have debated several times the right and legal aspects of game laws with CO's.
I wonder if Officer Toki is anyway related to Officer Cletus Karsey! But that is another story!
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Post by Paws on Nov 20, 2004 5:30:24 GMT 12.75
Toki will park by your vehicle off the road right next to the wood line and wait for you "all day" to come out of the woods , watch you jack your shells out, then write you a ticket for carrying a loaded weapon within 50 feet of the roadway. Real sweetheart!
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Post by shiloh on Nov 20, 2004 6:54:44 GMT 12.75
Wow! He'd only do that once up in East TN! After that, his other officers would find his empty and deserted vehicle where he last parked it...and that's about all.
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Post by Paws on Nov 20, 2004 8:26:28 GMT 12.75
Just goes to show you Shiloh that hunters, generally, aren't the vicious animals many make them out to be. Some are still assholes though; like Toki! ;D
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Post by Rich on Nov 20, 2004 11:12:54 GMT 12.75
So, I'm guessing that Toki wouldn't let you get away with putting that doe out of her misery Rich
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Post by Mars on Nov 20, 2004 11:16:25 GMT 12.75
Don't you love it when the CO's forget who they work for and who pays thier salary's.
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Post by Paws on Nov 20, 2004 14:06:42 GMT 12.75
The wife has one guard at the prison who is a lot like that. It's called "overstepping your authority!" No Rich Toki would probably file charges swearing that he saw you shoot and injure it!
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Post by Mars on Nov 20, 2004 14:18:03 GMT 12.75
Got a CO here like that. Stole (relocated) my treestand and when I caught him in it had the nerve to "check" my license.
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Post by Rich on Nov 20, 2004 15:16:17 GMT 12.75
Guess I'm pretty lucky. I've never seen a warden or been approached by one while hunting. Of course I hunted in some pretty remote places in Alaska and I only hunt private property here in Arkansas so that might make a difference.
My dad told me a story one time about him and his friend Alfred. They were rabbit hunting and had killed a limit. They went back to the car and noticed a wardens vehicle parked there. Dad immediately started running away and when the warden saw this he hurriedly followed him.
I guess dad led him a merry chase through some woods and across a small creek then up a pretty steep hill. Finally, he couldn't run any more so he stopped. The warden caught up to him and it took them both a few minutes to catch their breath before either of them could talk.
The warden asked dad to show him his license and he did. Then the warden wanted to see how many rabbits he had and he had a legal limit.
The warden said, "You haven't broken any laws, why did you run away?" Dad replied, "My friend Alfred didn't have a hunting license."
Knowing my dad I'm not sure how true that story is but I always thought it was a good one.
Rich
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Post by Mars on Nov 20, 2004 16:15:39 GMT 12.75
Got checked in Michigan last Monday, first time and I've hunted there for 4 years. My partner and I unloaded guns and cased them then started across the cornfield to put up a stand in a new location. Was going about 30 mph across the field when I looked over and was passed by a green pick-up. I thought only in Michigan would I get passed in a cornfield. ;D Got the whole thing from two Co's. License, ID, guns unloaded, guns cased, guns in the back seat then he started on the Indiana junk. Partner stated he was from Michigan and lived just down the road. Changed their attitude a little. Asked me if we got a deer that morning. I said no we didn't. He said somebody did with all the blood in the pick-up bed. I said I got three in Indiana. He kinda chilled after that.
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Post by DaGriz on Nov 24, 2004 8:38:01 GMT 12.75
Ethically speaking the humane thing to do would be to put the doe out of her pain. Legally it is against the law to shoot the doe if you don't have a tag for it. It is also a shme to waste the meat if she is shot and left where she falls! A GOOD warden would understand and commend you for shooting it. Sometimes a call to the CPO will result in your being able to shoot it and transport it to meet the CPO who then would take it to a donation location. BUT, there are some CPO's that don't use a lot of common sense or compassion. The other point is, the wounded doe is no worse off than a deer who has been ambushed by wolves and wounded. Personally....... well; I'm not putting that in writing.
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Post by Reddbow on Feb 27, 2005 8:08:15 GMT 12.75
I had a situation like this one time. I was watching a deer trail that went along just on the other side of the property line from my stand that branched at a downed section of fence. One branch continued along the other side of the fence from me and the other came across the property I was hunting on. It was a great morning for seeing game and I had seen a fox, rabbits, a grouse, some crows, a Great Horned Owl and then a loose string of does came down the trail from me, all gathering in a sparse group of saplings. They milled around in the saplings for a while and I noticed a doe join the group that had been shot in the upper left leg (coincidentally) and appeared to be suffering much discomfort, walking stiff-legged and limping. I didn't have a doe permit so I couldn't legally shoot her as well as the fact that she was on the other property whose owner didn't allow trespassing for any reason. All trespassers were arrested. I waited to see if she would come over on my side of the property line and I would then have shot her to put her out of her misery and called the ECO (ours at the time would have understood the situation). She followed the other does on down the path on the other side of the fence so I couldn't do anything anyway. No one ever came along on her trail to follow up on their shot. That bothered and angered me for a long time. I reported it to the landowner but never heard of any outcome.
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