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Post by Paws on Apr 24, 2007 3:29:58 GMT 12.75
Man that is a terrific documentary! The actor who plays Sherman is a dead ringer for Frank Steed for those of you who have never seen him.
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Post by shiloh on Apr 24, 2007 3:32:21 GMT 12.75
:'(I don't have cable so I don't get to see it. I saw a commercial for it last week and it looked like it'd be good.
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Post by Lt Colonel Bruce Reynolds on Apr 24, 2007 4:55:44 GMT 12.75
Man that is a terrific documentary! The actor who plays Sherman is a dead ringer for Frank Steed for those of you who have never seen him. Yep Phil, that was a good show about Sherman and the guy that did Sherman does look like Frank, thats scary knowing there is another Frank walking around the world.
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Post by Paws on Apr 24, 2007 9:10:00 GMT 12.75
The acting really stunk Shiloh, but the history was terrific. You know if we had Sherman and Lee in Iraq we'd have kicked ass and wrote down all the names already! The man was brilliant.
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Post by brittonfaith on Apr 25, 2007 3:16:37 GMT 12.75
OK. So did any of you even think to tape it so's we could all share??? Mike's gr.gr grandpa Wm. Ira Britton was with Sherman at Atlanta and on the March.
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Post by shiloh on Apr 25, 2007 4:28:02 GMT 12.75
Need Forrest. Screw Sherman and Lee! They take too long writing down the names anyway. ;D The dead have no names!
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Post by Paws on Apr 25, 2007 5:18:33 GMT 12.75
They might have been cautious; but like Bradley, neither would waste their resources. They both committed their forces "only" when they knew the battle was necessary and "only" after their tactics were solidly laid out. Fined strategists both of the gentlemen. Their men loved and respected Old Granny and Uncle Billie. I'm amazed at their similarities.
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Post by ltdan on Apr 25, 2007 14:33:04 GMT 12.75
Shiloh,what have you been SMOKING ? Forrest was good but not that good. I have to take sides here,I am related to 3 of the major players of the war.All 3 of these men are distant cousins of mine. They are as follows Grant,Lincoln and YES even Bobby Lee. And YES this is all true as to being related to these GREAT men of history. I live in the town were Uncle Billy was born. And I am very honored to say that. And even made good friends with his 2 great Grandson Fred Caldwell. We cannot get by with out these gentlemen who would our current army model its self after if we did not have them.I hope not the British from the Rev War.But I have to say that Sherman's March was very well done.AND PHIL I AM NOT BEING MEAN WITH THIS EITHER.If I was going to pick a Confederate Officer. The best one I would pick would be Joe Wheeler.Now He knew how to KICK A** and get the job done!!. Don
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Post by Toby Benoit on Apr 25, 2007 17:05:23 GMT 12.75
I didn't see it either. I seldom watch TV and don't have cable.
Of all of the strategists and leaders being mentioned, why nobody's conjured up Jackson yet is beyond me!
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Post by Paws on Apr 26, 2007 0:56:48 GMT 12.75
Well LtDan you got your soldiers and you got your warriors. Now Wheeler and Forest were warriors. They liked to fight and they could kick butt and take names on the battlefield. But when it comes to designing the campaign it takes a soldier and that's what Lee and Sherman were great at. Kind of like the difference between Eisenhower and Patton. Now what have we got today? Beats the hell out of me, I sure don't see any soldiers in our modern Army. I think they have spent too much time in the classroom attending Affirmative Action and touchy feely training. I was fixing to to teach a Total Quality Management Process Action Team course up in PA a few years back. The installation commander was a Brigadier whom I shall not name who had a liberal reputation. Probably good for me cause we billed three grand a week plus expenses and this was a five week course. Anyway the good General slides up to me the first morning real early when I shows up and after the :"how you doing's and how was the trip" pleasantries he says to me; "I guess you must really be into this social interaction management." I replies; "General, I have four management degrees, I've read everything Deming, Ishikawa, Crosby, Mundel, Honda, Harley Davidson, Johnsonville, and Ford have published on TQM and their applications and results and I've studied Japan's transition from a war torn hovel to a leading economy and yes I probably have more knowledge, understanding, and expertise with TQM as a management style/philosophy than anyone other than the top two or three in the world but frankly General, I'd rather be out killin' something." The General didn't bother me anymore until he introduced me to the class then graduated them five weeks later. This general wasn't a soldier nor a warrior but a manager and I'm afraid that's what our military has come to. That and worse; politicians!
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Post by shiloh on Apr 26, 2007 3:50:06 GMT 12.75
I know, I was just funnin' about Forrest. He was from right near here and is worshipped around TN. He likely was the greatest "warrior" the war produced. But, it has been shown that as he lacked the formal military training others like JEB Stuart, Lee, Grant, and others had, he lacked the ability to handle large bodies of troops and didn't have the "staying power" needed to grab and hold targets. But, he learned literally "in the saddle" his own unique warfare style that was very effective at harrassing the enemy. Sherman was so exasperated by Forrest he threatened to bankrupt the US treasury and divert his army for up to a year just to get Forrest. He likely only said that in a moment of hostil despair, but in a sense it was Forrest that created Sherman's new method of warfare on his march to the sea. Recognizing he could not gain success with a long supply line that the Confederates, especially Forrest would feed upon, he cut loose his supply lines and "lived off the land" as he marched to the sea. In warfare, it is the commanders' abilities to learn and adjust tactics that wins victories. The commanders, no matter how great, that fail to learn and adjust quikly, lose. See Hooker, McClellan, Burnsides and Bragg for examples of these. But, from a purely warrior standpoint, Forrest wins hands-down over all other cavalry officers. In all liklihood, had Forrest been formerly schooled even a little at any militay academy, he would have been more rapidly promoted. He was held back by Wharton, Wheeler, Bragg, & others for the first 2 years because these officers did not know how to use or handle him. WHen allowed free range, Forrest was pure hateful murder on the Federals, but when he was handled poorly, he couldn't do what needed to be done. His orders often removed him from where he was most needed. And, as at Chickamauga or The Cedars, he was incapable of coordinating large bodies of different branches in one battle due to his lack of schooling on the subjects. Of course, had he been schooled, it may have removed a lot of his daring as it did some others.
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