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Post by Paws on Aug 20, 2004 21:42:04 GMT 12.75
Griz, if I ever make up my mind which ML to get for re-enacting and double purpose it for deer hunting, how the heck do I mount a scope that I can remove for re-enacting that won't mess up the period authentic appearance of the weapon? While you are at it you might recommend a scope. I'm looking at probably a 54 or 58 calibre weapon. Most lkely will end up with either a Hawken, Sharps, or Enfield.
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Post by DaGriz on Aug 21, 2004 2:56:10 GMT 12.75
Hey Pard I would opt for a Hawken in 50 caliber. If you gotta have a bigger caliber then get the 54. If you are serious about a good muzzle Loader I have a 54 caliber percussion smokepole with the lock made from the original Ethan Allen tooling. It is authentic as you can get without being an original. I'ed give you a heck of a deal on it.
As far as a scope for hunting you may as well figure on buying a different BP gun Think about an inline like a TC Encore or a Knight. They are far more accurate, easier to load and easier to maintain. If you put a scope on a traditional percussion gun you would have to drill and tap for mounts and it would not be close to authentic even witrh the scope not on it.
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Post by Christopher on Aug 21, 2004 4:26:37 GMT 12.75
Define "heck of a deal". I've been wanting a flintlock forever.
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Post by DaGriz on Aug 21, 2004 5:51:09 GMT 12.75
It's a percussion gun. not a flintlock.
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Post by Paws on Aug 21, 2004 8:02:17 GMT 12.75
I guess then with my particular vision I might as well forget iron sights for a rifle then. Hmmmm, I'll have to think about that then. I was really wanting to extend the season with a smoke pole so I guess I'll be looking for an in line and not screwing up a stage weapon. Thanks Griz. You still think a 50 caliber is about right for an in line?
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Post by Christopher on Aug 21, 2004 8:55:38 GMT 12.75
Shows how much I know...
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Post by Paws on Aug 21, 2004 11:49:01 GMT 12.75
Just say "antique fire arm" Christopher; then you are covered! ;D Which reminds me; What the heck is a "Musket?"
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Post by DaGriz on Aug 21, 2004 18:53:42 GMT 12.75
If it was me , I would buy a Thompson Encore Stainless Steel frame with composiye stock and forearm with a Stainless Steel 50 x 209 Muzzle Loading Barrel. I have one and it is by far the best shooting muzzle loader I have owned or seeen. I havehad three other muzzleloaders and they couldn't come close to the TC. The bonus is you can get alkl kinds of centerfire barrels for it also. check it out at: www.tcarms.com
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Post by Paws on Aug 21, 2004 20:23:05 GMT 12.75
What kind of range does this one have Griz? Would it be worthwhile for me to think about a scope ? This area here is a lot like you saw around Tank's place. Probably similar to where you are now. That should give you an idea of the terrain I hunt most. I very seldom use a stand. I walk and sit; usually get most shots when I pick up to move to another spot. Usually are quick with little set up time.
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Post by DaGriz on Aug 23, 2004 5:44:02 GMT 12.75
If you sight it in vorrectly, using a load of three 50gr pellets and a 240gr saboted bullet you can effectively shoot 150 yds or more. You can put any scope you want on it as it is drilled and tapped for scope bases.
I accurately shoot 150yds with mine . It has an action simlar to a single shot shotgun in that it breaks open and you put the shotgun primer on the nipple. Once primed and closed to sshoot you simply pull back the hammer like a lever action rifle. Very quick . The breech plug unscrews so you can clean the barrel very easily.
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Post by Paws on Aug 23, 2004 9:18:34 GMT 12.75
150 yards would be plenty for me. Probably zeroed at 80 would be even better.What would you figure a 6x50 or maybe a little bigger field with good eye relief?
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Post by 97whiteml on Aug 24, 2004 13:25:00 GMT 12.75
Paws just get a White and be happy. Put a 3-9X40 on it and shoot 3 shot one hole groups at 100yds time after time with out swabing or cleaning after every 2 or 3 shots.I shoot sub 3" groups at 200yds. You can afford to shoot a White. 1# Pyro P powder $15.00 20 440gr conicals bullets $11.00 #11 caps/100 $ 3.50 cleaning/swabing patches $0.00 don't use them So for shooting 20 shots using 150gr load it will cost about $11.00bullets+$6.50powder+$0.70#caps=$18.20 but then I don't use 150gr only 90gr so it is less then the $18.90 ;D "If you sight it in vorrectly, using a load of three 50gr pellets and a 240gr saboted bullet you can effectively shoot 150 yds " Thompson Encore 1 # of 50gr pellets $75.00 20 saboted bullets $30.00 mid.priced ones 209 primers/100 $ 4.50 cleaning/swabing patches $ 1.00 So shooting the T/C 20 shots=$30.00bullets$30.00pellets+$0.90primers+$1.00 cleaning/swabing patches= $61.90 Did I mention slip fit 2( two) finger loading time after time? www.WhiteMuzzleloading.comor www.whiterifles.com
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Post by DaGriz on Aug 24, 2004 19:17:51 GMT 12.75
Chuck must be taking some goooooooood drugs!!!!!!!!
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Post by Paws on Aug 24, 2004 19:37:39 GMT 12.75
How come so much difference in price?
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Post by SgtBill on Aug 24, 2004 21:13:58 GMT 12.75
Lead bullets vs. saboted bullets
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Post by 97whiteml on Aug 25, 2004 0:58:44 GMT 12.75
Guys just do the math check out how much a package of 50gr Pyro pellets cost,how many in a # =$/# check out price of saboted bullets, ect.
Bill:Lead bullets vs. saboted bullets
big heavy .50cal. lead bullets (460gr)going 1500fps hit a lot harder then small .41cal. 240gr pistol bullets.
If you know your gun and shoot it more then once a year you will know where to put the cross hairs out to 200yds if zerroed at 100yds.
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Post by SgtBill on Aug 25, 2004 19:59:15 GMT 12.75
Hey Chuck,The 7 pointer that I got 2 year's ago with my Knight in-line .50 Cal. was at 172 yard's I hit him with a 240 grain Hornady XTP hollow point. He went about 15 to 20 yard's. I don't see where he would have gone down any faster with a solid lead projectile. I am sure that you know that I know my gun and where to put it and to hold for a shot.
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Post by 97whiteml on Aug 26, 2004 11:38:56 GMT 12.75
Bill did not mean that you did not know you gun or where to put the it or hold.It's just a 460gr 50cal all lead bullet at 1500 fps hits a lot harder then a 240 grain Hornady XTP hollow point bullet going 1500 fps. The 7 point I shot at 85-90yds standing broadside I hit just behind the sholder and 5-6" down from the back was anchord there.The 280+# boar hit about the same spot went 6" and turned 90% I recovered thst 440gr lead bullet it had mushrommed out to .987 and retained 432.7grs. Have a good year out in the woods.
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Post by Paws on Aug 26, 2004 21:40:17 GMT 12.75
Man! That's a sledge hammer slam allright! But then, dead is dead. Unless of course the game is "watermelon" then speed and slam are really important to make the best splat! ;D You guys watch "Mail Call"? I love to see Gunny shoot the enemy! ;D
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Post by 45Hawken on Oct 19, 2004 6:15:55 GMT 12.75
Paws, since you first posted about wanting a "period" rifle, why not get a enfield in 58 and mount one of those long brass scopes on it? Then you could claim to be a sniper when reenacting. Just remember, most of those long brass scopes have very little eye relief, you might start flinching after it smacks you a few times. If money is no object, get a parker hale whitworth. They are one of the most accurate muzzleloaders ever made, bar none. They were the sniper rifle of the south, and those who know how to use them can shoot clay pidgeons at 500yds and plates at 1000.
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