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Post by Bro. Freddie on Mar 26, 2008 14:21:21 GMT 12.75
Isaiah isn't all about prophecy. There is some history in it as well as current events (for that time). I believe the passage in Isaiah is referring to Satan before time began. When I get a little time, I will look it up.
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Post by Paws on Mar 26, 2008 23:57:03 GMT 12.75
Outstanding gentlemen! You know I have observed the many similarities between/among Genesis and Revelations and your arguements for the casting down of Satan reinforce this particular coincidence. Wonder if this might be an indication of the significance of the phrase "Alpha and Omega"?
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Mar 27, 2008 9:24:43 GMT 12.75
Outstanding gentlemen! You know I have observed the many similarities between/among Genesis and Revelations and your arguements for the casting down of Satan reinforce this particular coincidence. Wonder if this might be an indication of the significance of the phrase "Alpha and Omega"? The phrase "Alpha and Omega" simply means the beginning and the end. Jesus was stating to that particular church that He was here from the beginiing, and He will be here till the end. In other words, for all eternity, past and present.
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Post by Paws on Jun 8, 2008 2:20:35 GMT 12.75
I am not certain when Satan was c ast down and would enjoy you two Pastor Freddie and 10SCN to continue your discussion. I think it would be enlightening for all of us. It has recently come to my conscience that hell was created a very long time ago probably long before God created Earth as a "jail" for unruly Angels. So when Lucifer said "...better to reign in hell than to serve in Heaven, he already had a basis for his comment and probably first hand knowledge of his domain to come. Now what would you say if I were to tell you that I believe I have actually seen a real, genuine, bonafide angel wing feather?
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jun 8, 2008 16:58:09 GMT 12.75
I'd say I wanna hear about it Paws!
Tell us...
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Post by Paws on Jun 9, 2008 2:35:34 GMT 12.75
Well, that fella who I "jumped" for poppin' off his mouth over on the Main Street at Paw's House thread, I'll call him John cause that's his name, he about one of the most powerful prayin' fellas I ever asociated with. Fact! Well, we was in paryer meetin' there one day and he was absent for some reason. Pastor's wife was paryin' in the spot John usually prayes in and when we was done prayin' individual and fixin' to get in group one of the ladies across the other side said something flew by her head. Pastor Chris, Junior Pastor said he saw a huge shadow over by Pastor's wife bigger than him and he is about 6'5" and close to four hundred! Then Pastor's wife stood up and laying on the alter was a soft white feather with no veins. We were all stunned but just like the spirit confirmation I got today readin' Brother Freddie's sermon, I got right there. Since then more have been found in the sanctuary and door thresholds of the entrances. Pastor Phil said he had seen this before in Las Vegas and actually saw them dropping from above inside the sanctuary. You know there was a point just before we were going into group we started to spontaneously sing "We are are standing on Holy ground and I know that there are angels all around..." Now if that don't get a tickle up your spine and raise your guard hairs nothin will! Oh man that song just this second came up on my CD... Praise God!!
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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 25, 2011 13:49:40 GMT 12.75
Boy, is there ever some good points made in here and food for much thought.
I've had a lot on my mind and I've witnessed things lately to assure me I'm not alone here...
I'm grateful to be able to come here and re-read these things. It helps...
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Post by Paws on Aug 26, 2011 0:11:32 GMT 12.75
Got a strong sneakin' suspicion that feather we saw was a distraction. Yep, everything I see says that man was created slightly below the angels and every reference to an angel in the scriptures the observer depicts them as a person. Persons don't have feathers! Here is another shock for you; Satan is not an angel but a cheribim; actually says so in an off hand comment in the Bible! These critters don't look anything like a human. With all the strangeness going on in our society and our geology I think now is a great time to revitalize this thread.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 26, 2011 15:50:40 GMT 12.75
I think so too! I read a cheribim, was a type of angel...but a demonic one... I can't remember where Iread that; it may have been in a novel somewhere, but it wasn't in the Bible... Where was that reference, Paws? Do you recall? When he was cast out of Heaven, could have been that he was disfigured, ya reckon?
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Post by Paws on Aug 27, 2011 13:45:45 GMT 12.75
I think so too! I read a cheribim, was a type of angel...but a demonic one... I can't remember where Iread that; it may have been in a novel somewhere, but it wasn't in the Bible... Where was that reference, Paws? Do you recall? When he was cast out of Heaven, could have been that he was disfigured, ya reckon? Ezekiel has the better description I think although they are also mentioned in Isaiah and Revelations. Their duty is to "sing to God in praise". They are said to hold up the throne and are said to be ornamented on the Arc of the Covenant. Let me see they have three sets of wings, four faces, and the feet of a calf. I think in our terms Satan/Lucifer is already ugly enough as described as a Cherubim! Although in Heaven's terms as I recall he was said to be beautiful. They were not demonic rather the highest order of the angelic host. The duty of an angel is to act as a messenger.
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Post by brittonfaith on Aug 27, 2011 14:26:00 GMT 12.75
Decided to do some reading/studying on this. So far, I've found.
Not all cherubims are demons. There are cherubims in Heaven who's duty is to guard God's Holy domain from sin and evil. Sometimes they are called "throne angels".
Psalm 80:1 Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth
Psalm 99:1 The LORD reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved
Seraphim, on the other hand, have the duty of glorifying, praising, and attending to God. In a Bible study the other night, we decided that angels are an entirely different being from either the cherubim or seraphim. I left my notes in the choir stand, but angels are mentioned in a verse as being without sound. We're wondering how they could glorify or praise if they were silent. Secondly, according to Scripture, they look different than the others (more human).
I do believe that Satan is/was a heavenly/spiritual being of some type. From my understanding, there are more than just cherubims and seraphims. I also believe that when Satan fell from grace, many of his followers (demons) were cast out with him. One name given to the devil is Lucifer (Light Bearer or Morning Star). This would lead me to think that before he was cast out he probably ranked as high, or maybe higher than Michael. But "good" always wins over "evil". Satan and his army lost and were thrown out of heaven.
Another interesting not is that ordinary angels, Gabriel and Archangel(s) are all described in the Bible as having the appearance of a handsome young man, with NO WINGS. Cherubim, seraphim, and the four living creatures mentioned in Revelation all have wings. So far, I haven't found a description of the fallen angels or of Satan.
Some scholars also believe that the seraphim are above the throne of God, while the cherubim are next to and around the throne. I'm still looking for Biblical text to confirm that.
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Post by Jerry on Aug 28, 2011 7:28:46 GMT 12.75
I have a faily extensive study on angels. Let me give a synopsis.
The study of angels is called ANGELOLOGY. This title is taken from the Greek work for angels (aggelos) which is pronounced ang-el-os, is transliterated angel is is translated "messenger".
One major sub-study is fallen angels and is called DEMONOLOGY. This title is taken from the Greek word "daimon", translated demon or devil and means "to distribute fortunes".
Archaelogy reveals that man's belief in angels gos back well before the time of Abraham. While many deny the existence of angels, you cannot accept the authority of the Bible and not accept the existence of angels. Angels are mentioned in 34 of the 66 books in the Bible for a total of 273 times (108 in the Old Testament and 165 in the New Testament. Human authors of 55 of the 66 books of the Bible mention angels.
Angels are a created being and are not eternal. In other words even though they will continue to exist in eternity future, they have not always existed. In fact, only God Himself is truly eternal.
Angels were spoken into existence (Psalms 148:2-5).
Angels are referred to as "sons of God" simply meaning they are a direct creation of God. (Job 1:6: 2:1).
The number of angels, once completed at the point of creation was forever fixed. (1) Scripture never speaks of God creating more angels. (2) Jesus stated that angels do not reproduce themselves (Matt 22:30). (3) Scripture states that angels cannot die (Luke 20:36).
There are 3 basic views about the creation of angels. (a) They were created at some point in eternity past before Creation. (b) Angels were created at the time of an original perfect Creation in Gen. 1:1 and fell during a Gap of Time between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2. (c) Angels were created on day one of Creation at the same time of the Creation of the heavens in Gen. 1:1a and before the Creation of the earth in Gen. 1:1b. NOTE: Angels had to be created before the earth because it says in Job 38:1-7 that the angels rejoiced as they watched God lay the foundatons of the earth. In my opinion, the creation of angels took place during the 6 days of creation. This is indicated by Exodus 20:11, which says: Exodus 20:11 ( KJV ) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. The word ALL would certainly include the creation of angels.
Angels were created to glorify and serve Christ (Col 1:16; Heb 1:6; Rev. 4:11).
Angels are spirit beings (Psa. 104:4; Heb 1:7, 14).
Angels have the ability to assume at least the appearance of human bodies (Gen 18:1-2; Heb. 13:2).
Angles have the ability to partake of physical food (Gen 18:1-8; 19:1-3).
Angels have the ability to apply physical force (Acts 12:7).
Angels are invisible (by nature) yet are able to appear in physical form (Col 1:16; 2:18, 1 Kin. 6:17).
Angels are innumerable (Heb. 12:22; Rev 5:11). This simply means there are so many as to be beyond human comprehension.
Angels possess separate and individual personalities. They possess mind (Dan 9:21-22; 10:14; Rev 19:10; 22:8-9). They possess will (Isa. 14:12-15; Jud 1:6). They possess emotion (Job 38:7; Luke 2:13).
Angels are superior to man (because of Adam's fall) (Psa. 8:4-5; Heb 2:6-11) but are inferior to God.
Classes of Angels: Archangels: Michael (Dan. 10:13,21; 12:1, Jude 9; Rev. 12:7) and Gabriel (Dan 8:16; 9:21, Luke 1:19, 26). Cherubim (Ezek. 1:4-28; 10:1-22m Gen 3:24; Ex. 25:18-20). Duties and Activities: To guard the Garden of Eden after the fall (Gen. 3:24), To remain in the immediate presence of and guard the holiness of God as pictured on the Ark of the Covenant (Ex. 25:18-22), They appeared to Ezekiel carrying God's Throne Chariot (Ezek 1; 10). Seraphim (Isa. 6:1-7). Their name mans "buring ones" and probably speaks to their appearance and all consuming devotion to God. Duties and Activities: They proclaim the perfect holiness of God (Isa. 6:3); They praise the Glory of God (Isa. 6:4); They portray the need for man's cleansing before he can approach to or serve a Holy God (Isa. 6:5-8). Living Creatures (Rev. 4:6-9; 5:6-8; 6:1-7). These are similar to the Cherubim and Seraphim, but are a unique class of beings. They appear to represent the imputed righteousness of God (Rev. 4:6), constantly proclaim the holiness of God (Rev. 4:8), give Glory, Honor, and Thanks unto God (Rev. 4:9), worship the Lamb which had been slain (Rev. 5:6,8,11-12,14), announce the first of 4 judgments of the Tribulation (Rev. 6:1,3,5,7). Ruling Angels (Eph 1:21; 3:10; Col 1:16; 2:10; 1 Pet. 3:22). It is impossible to know to what extent these angels represent different types of angels or are simply the specific duties of angels in general. Personally, I believe they are a different group with specific authority over certain areas. Guardian Angels (Matt. 18:10; Heb 1:14). Fallen Angels. Since the study of fallen angels is another study within itself, I will only offer the following: Angels who took sides with Satan during his rebellion in Heaven are now demons or devils (1/3rd of the total number) (Isa. 14:12-15, Ezek. 28:11-19; Matt. 25:41; Rev 12:9). That these are devils or demons is supported by the fact that both are translations from the same Greek word.
As you can see, the study of angels can get quite detailed. I have given a fairly lengthy synopsis here. Hope this is not confusing. If you desire more, please ask.
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Post by Paws on Aug 28, 2011 14:11:15 GMT 12.75
;D That's terrific Jerry. Really good information. Angels are a fascinating subject. So many folk seem to think that people become angels when they pass on, mistakenly of course.
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Post by Toby Benoit on May 19, 2013 4:33:01 GMT 12.75
Great reading here... I appreciate being able to come back in here for a review from time to time!
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Post by Paws on May 22, 2013 10:50:24 GMT 12.75
Jus5t be happy you do no have to do a book report.
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Post by Toby Benoit on May 22, 2013 11:47:05 GMT 12.75
Me and Trish had gotten into a lengthy discussion on Angels. Not an argument, but just the pair of us figuring some things out together. I pulled up the ol' OCC and all I needed to know was right here waiting for us.
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