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Post by Bro. Freddie on Jul 27, 2008 1:36:21 GMT 12.75
Sounds like you are starting to wisen up Phil ;D ;D
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Post by Lt Colonel Bruce Reynolds on Jul 27, 2008 3:56:02 GMT 12.75
Sounds like you are starting to wisen up Phil ;D ;D Bro Freddy, I sure hope and pray that you are right about Phil. He can be VERY VERY bad at times ;D ;D ;D.
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Post by Paws on Jul 27, 2008 4:52:20 GMT 12.75
Yes, well not bad enough to call Connie back!
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Post by Lt Colonel Bruce Reynolds on Jul 27, 2008 6:44:42 GMT 12.75
Yes, well not bad enough to call Connie back! Well Phil you got me on that o0ne.
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jul 27, 2008 13:16:03 GMT 12.75
Least not while the vaseline holds out! ;D ;D ;D Sorry Phil, I couldn't resist. And yes, I do remember our computers getting blown up at the same time from arguing with the preacher. Jesus was teaching us not to be wise asses. I'm pretty sure He'll be okay if we just rattle his chain a bit.
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Post by Paws on Jul 27, 2008 14:01:37 GMT 12.75
Big mouth! You know we was going to do something. I just wanted to give him a false sense of security! (Meet me on TAC II, for planning!)
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Jul 28, 2008 1:01:37 GMT 12.75
Ahem. I am on to you two. You didn't think I would keep an eye on you did ya?
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Post by Paws on Jul 28, 2008 1:16:39 GMT 12.75
With one on me and one on Toby you'll get cross-eyed!
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Post by Toby Benoit on Jul 29, 2008 19:00:41 GMT 12.75
Besides, I'm big enough you oughtta really use two eyes on me. Phil, check your PM's! ;D
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Post by Paws on Jul 30, 2008 1:36:08 GMT 12.75
PMS? I don't have PMS! ;D
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Aug 27, 2008 8:18:58 GMT 12.75
Well we now have another 4-H project to work on this year. I tell you what, it is starting to get busy around here with all these 4-H projects, pee-wee football starting up, working 12-14 hrs. a day, and being in revival this week. Soon, they are going to have to add more hours to the day for me to keep up ;D The steer's name is Rocky, (don't ask me where he came up with that one) and it was donated by his best friend's father. All we have to do is teach it to lead and show it in the fair. Feed, water, and other things are donated by John Terrell Farms. Any body know how to teach a 600 lb steer to lead???
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Post by Paws on Aug 27, 2008 8:40:13 GMT 12.75
Firs, you change his name to Rover,....
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Post by Toby Benoit on Aug 29, 2008 16:50:04 GMT 12.75
Teach him to lead with a nose ring.
I've always had a ring in my Bull's noses and my Dad and Grandad's did too. I go out with a short lead, clip it onto the ring and he follows around like a puppy.
If 4-H doesn't allow nose rings, you can work him with that halter and a sorting stick, but that takes a lot more time.
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Post by Paws on Aug 30, 2008 2:51:13 GMT 12.75
Where the heck is Faith? Oh we of little Faith! We need Faith! My friend out Racine way says put a short lead on him and tie him to the back of the pick up and slowly get him into motion. If you can get his head propped up above the tailgate that's even better cause he won't be able to drop it and fight and twist his neck and such. Then walk him until he likes it!
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Post by brittonfaith on Aug 30, 2008 4:21:37 GMT 12.75
Where the heck is Faith? Oh we of little Faith! We need Faith! Faith (and her faith) is wearing thin. Geez! I wish someone would donate a steer - or a cow/calf pair - and feed to this old 4-H/FFA gal. ;D All righty, now. How long until fair?? It shouldn't take more than 45 min. to an hour for four consecutive days to get him leading well enough for a local show. (Well, maybe a little longer. I've only been doing this since '72.) I see you've managed to get a halter on him and tie him. That's a great starter. Next is to get him to follow willingly. I know a lot who do tie their steers to a tractor or truck to lead break. But I also know of quite a few animals that had their necks snapped or were badly skinned/bruised up from that. Wouldn't personally suggest it. My tips would be: 1) If you are using a show halter & shank in the show ring, then use either a utility halter with chin/jaw chains or a show halter & shank when giving lessons. The animal needs to get use to the chain. Rope halters cinch down on the head when the animal pulls back and causes more fighting on the animals part. And if used to tie an animal for long periods of time can either cut into the head or come loose. 2) If using a halter with chain, don't keep the chain tight. The idea is to use the chain as a signal as to when to walk. Little tugs should get the animal to walk. No tugs or just an occasional tug signals to keep walking. A tight chain or a sharp snap of the chain should be the signal to stop moving. 3) Use a calm voice/gestures. That includes helpers and anyone watching you. - even if he steps on your foot or lunges at you! (o.k. I confess - I've been known to wallop a 1300# cow in the nose a time or two. Just don't let anyone see you do it.) And don't be swinging that show stick around or using it too much to "set" the feet. It makes them steers jumpy. 4) This might be the hardest part. Learn to "read" the animal. Little things like its breathing, nasal discharge, where it's looking, position of the ears, even its smell - they can tell you what frame of mind the animal is in or what actions the animal might make. Call it being a "Cow Whisperer". 5) Little steps make great strides. Even if the steer only takes one step, give him a pet on the neck (not the head until he leads better. He could get head-shy.). A handful of grain also works and you might get him to follow your hand if he thinks there is food involved. (Much like getting some folks to come to church if there's going to be a feed). But remember there this is a market animal not a household pet. You want just enough to assure the steer he's safe. A little reward goes a mighty distance. 6) Before the fair, use those walks to the grooming chute or wash rack to your advantage. Don't hurry the walk and have a dab of feed or a flake of hay ready when you get to the destination. Teach him to lead with a nose ring. A nose lead will work the same if rings are not permitted. If you have really strong arms/hands you can use your fingers the same way. And I hate to admit it, but there are some animals that because of breed, bloodlines and personalities are just too dang stupid or mean to try to lead. You shouldn't have much trouble with a black white-face. Haven't had to train many truly mean ones, but have had to deal with a bunch of bug-eyed, stupid and retarded ones. they usually end up in the freezer well before fair time.
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Post by Paws on Sept 15, 2008 23:31:11 GMT 12.75
Hey Pastor, you going to tell these folk how you finally got that critter to lead? You don't , I will! (You tree huggers, animal rights activists, etc might want to skip this!)
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Post by Snake Eyes on Sept 16, 2008 0:50:49 GMT 12.75
Teach him to lead with a nose ring.I've always had a ring in my nose and my Dad and Grandad did too.Mom and grandma would go out with a short lead, clip it onto the ring and we followed them around like a puppies.
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Post by Paws on Sept 16, 2008 3:39:06 GMT 12.75
I wish it were my nose I was led around with! Unfortunately...
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Post by Bro. Freddie on Sept 16, 2008 22:00:39 GMT 12.75
OK I'll tell.
We (me and Lucas) we done where Rocky stays (at John Terrell Farms) working with him on one hot Saturday. You know how it is in the summer, hot and muggy. Well, he didn't want to lead to the corral fence where we tied him up to groom him. I pulled and pulled, and so did Lucas, as we tried to get Rocky to come over to the fence. You know how hard it is for a 45 year old man to move a 500 lb steer that don't want to go? IT AIN"T EASY! Well we got him almost to the fence when he started staggering like he was drunk. Then all of a sudden he fell down, just like he had died. My first thought was that I had pulled too much and that Rocky had had a heart attack due to the heat. I actually thought i had killed him. I mean his eyes rolled back in his head and all that. Now remember, this is my first time working with a steer and I don't really know what I am doing. Anyway, the steer is laying on the ground, me and Lucas both thought he was dying, and didn't know what to do. It just so happened that John, the owner, was there working with other cattle in his feed lot. I called him over, he looked at Rocky, then hauled off and kicked him right between the eyes. Rocky got up and walked over to the fence! John said it looked like he had just sullied up on us, being stubborn. Since then Rocky has led just about anywhere Lucas wants him to go. I guess all it took was a kick to the head to get him to realize that it is better to lead than to be stubborn.
That is the story of how we got Rocky to led. Today, he is going to the county fair and we will show him Friday afternoon. I took the goats and the chickens up yesterday. Chickens will be judged tomorrow and the goat show is Thursday afternoon so if I am not on here much you will know why. going to be busy busy busy this week.
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Post by Paws on Sept 16, 2008 22:23:12 GMT 12.75
You know Pastor I think maybe that sometimes it takes the same technique to get two legged bull heads going in the right direction!
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