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Post by Toby Benoit on May 25, 2010 7:37:59 GMT 12.75
At least that's what his test results show.
Phil, you know fasting is only going to bring down the sugar TEMPORARILY!!! Get your butt in here and read it all again!
personally, and Atkins style diet works best for me; cut out all the flours and starched. No tater, rice, breads, or pastas, and of course...no refined sugar or corn syrup.
water, water, WATER!!!! Drink like a madman of the desert; flush your system and start a much more cranivorous diet. Add in plent of nuts and fresh veggies (no corn) and tell thme insulin pushing sumdabeeches to kiss ass.
C'mon guys, get him back on track! ;D
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Post by Paws on May 25, 2010 7:58:52 GMT 12.75
Yep, I do way too much white carbs. I know that. The problem is if I restrict them, I get depressed; then I go kill somebody! Need a name? Didn't think so. I started the fast, will follow up with fanatic exercise, cut down the carbs, eliminate the bread and spuds completely. See if I can peel down to under 200; target 175. If I get there and the sugar is still fubar I'll do the insulin but not until I give it my own best effort first. Look at my latest pic on the facebook thread; lookin good huh!
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Post by OLKoot on May 25, 2010 9:09:41 GMT 12.75
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Post by Toby Benoit on May 25, 2010 11:42:16 GMT 12.75
I been reading through some of the old stuff on here. Apparently, pork rinds and cinnamon will not only cure diabetes, but will even improve your love life! Go through these old threads...lots of good info in here and some pretty good barbs here and there, lol. I been on the bandwagon myself; I haven't stepped foot on a scale, but I feel the changes in my clothes. I'll pray ya get it under control amigo!
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Post by Paws on May 26, 2010 1:30:05 GMT 12.75
Koot; I think that was your idea just before you had your heart attack and your carotid artery blew out your neck.
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Post by Paws on May 26, 2010 1:40:19 GMT 12.75
ALL THINGS IN MODERATION!!! Pork rinds will plug your arteries and cinnamon will destroy your liver and pancreas taken in large quantities. Already have enough of those problems. Shoot, even the prescribed medication is being questioned over potential liver damage and two are under class action suit. Yesterday morning glucose was 290 versus this morning at 232. I got down to 181 yesterday, did my 45 minute walk with no problem. Subsisting on water and coffee and bouillon cubes for the past forty hours. Plan to continue this fast until my glucose drops to the 120 to 130 range or four days whichever occurs first. I've lost five pounds of fat since the 4th of the month. Got 39 more pounds to go to hit my target. Wow, that will be a 73 pound loss since the effort began! 8-)Progress here looks encouraging. My buddy Andy has lost about 30 pounds in two weeks and reduced his insulin now by two thirds since his "shock fast". I'm going to see if I can afford to get his family a pool pass as a surprise for him. If it isn't too costly. If swimming is good for me you know it has to be good for him. Three or four hours a week will work wonders.
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Post by Two Tales on May 26, 2010 2:59:37 GMT 12.75
Hey Buddy,
like you said every thing in moderation,,,that includes fasting...and exersise...and wieght lose vs time...aint nothing out there that wont hurt you unless it's done in moderation...one thing I do recommend is going through the pantry and cabnets and throwing everything that says hydroginated or partially hydroginated in the dumpster...doing some reading I have found no just a few researchers works on this killer and is suspected to be a leading cause of types 1 and 2...and while you are at this fasting thing please keep a pack of glucos or a couple of pieces of sugary candy in your pocket...just in case...and we will be watching you...
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Post by Paws on May 26, 2010 8:48:37 GMT 12.75
I watch the hydrogenated trans fat thing pretty well. Just got my actual numbers report in the mail and the A1C is at 11 percent. Everything else looks real good except triglycerides are a bit high. I still haven't figured out exactly what they are. Made myself a schedule of meals to include snack meals in between. It looks boring but will get the job done and provide a good balance of nutrition for me. From now on lunch is pretty much tuna salad on toast with a quart of fizzy juice, a cup of raw vegetables, and possibly a side salad of cukes and onions. Snacks will be veggies or a piece of fruit with more fizzy juice. Variety comes with breakfast and dinner but with less quantities. I've been way overdoing breakfasts and too many sandwiches with buns. That's what's causing the problem. If I drop the buns, I drop 240 calories and 60 grams of carbohydrates a day. Then too, I tend to eat dinner late and need to cut the carbs off at around 5 PM or earlier.
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Post by Mars on May 26, 2010 9:55:10 GMT 12.75
Sounds like you are on the same diet menu that I am on. You know those old school nutritionists that put me on it. Fasting doesn't work for anything except make you hungry or for religious matters but I doubt you'll be performing an exorcism. Fasting kicks your metabolism into survival mode and slows if not stops it then your body starts to use the lean muscle for food not fat.
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Post by Paws on May 27, 2010 10:53:35 GMT 12.75
Sounds like you are on the same diet menu that I am on. You know those old school nutritionists that put me on it. Fasting doesn't work for anything except make you hungry or for religious matters but I doubt you'll be performing an exorcism. Fasting kicks your metabolism into survival mode and slows if not stops it then your body starts to use the lean muscle for food not fat. Not if you got plenty of fat! I haven't been hungry more than a few seconds. Glucose is dropping very nicely. Got under 160 today. Eleven PM will be 72 hours and if my number is around 140 or so tomorrow morning I'll add carb free veggies to the liquids and start taking fizzy tomato juice too. Going to try it with Diet Ginger Ale and see how that tastes. If I'm above 140 I'll continue the liquids as is and add only celery maintaining that posture until I am down to 120-140 early AM range. I was looking at some of my notes from a while back and discovered that glucose levels dropped a good bit after eating celery. Point of order Mars; this fast is not to lose weight but to "shock" the pancreas into producing more insulin. I got another little trick up my sleeve, I'll reveal later after I test it out; unless somebody wants to offer up their body for my laboratory. Can't wait to post my picture in my pretty blue thongs I bought for swimming!
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Post by Paws on May 27, 2010 11:04:04 GMT 12.75
At least that's what his test results show. Phil, you know fasting is only going to bring down the sugar TEMPORARILY!!! Get your butt in here and read it all again! personally, and Atkins style diet works best for me; cut out all the flours and starched. No tater, rice, breads, or pastas, and of course...no refined sugar or corn syrup. water, water, WATER!!!! Drink like a madman of the desert; flush your system and start a much more cranivorous diet. Add in plent of nuts and fresh veggies (no corn) and tell thme insulin pushing sumdabeeches to kiss ass. C'mon guys, get him back on track! ;D Toby, my bitch with Atkins is it is way too much protein without regard to the affects. You can not cut out all carbs. Change them to whole grain bread, pasta, use sweet potatoes, raw potatoes, rice is fine in moderation, so are spuds and plenty of wild grasses/rice. Undercooked pasta is proving to be really good for you so keep it eldente. The key to carbs seems to be taking them with plenty of fiber. So, when there is bread or tater there will be a big pile of brocolli or cauliflower, maybe raw veggies. But that does not come until tight control is achieved. I still am not convinced that I know what the hell triglycerides really are or what foods they are in. Ideas!
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Post by Toby Benoit on May 27, 2010 14:39:35 GMT 12.75
Get you a mess of fresh veggies and a steamer! Mmmm, love me some steamed broccoli, cauliflower, and carrots together with a little cheese sauce over top, or dipped in Catalina dressing. Replace your taters with them. Yeah the Atkins thing gets out of hand because eople then gprge themselves on high cholesteral, high fat meats, or either they'll get processed meats full of junk fillers. Gotta stick to lean cuts of meat in moderation and supplemented greatly with fresh fruits and vegetables. No way I can stay on a strict Atkins type diet, it just isn't practical. But by following the spirit of the diet plan, I still manage to lose quite a bit of weight. Here's the rub though; I put it back on five times faster than ever the minute I start back to eating carb-filled meals. No way to keep it off without excercise and my legs just aren't letting me do much of that these days. Here's a quick lunch that used to se me through diet days. Take a can of Veg-all, drain and rinse, then put in a pot with a cup of water a beef boullion cube and heat it up. Low cal and filling.
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Post by Mars on May 27, 2010 14:59:17 GMT 12.75
Paws, what I meant about fasting is that no matter the reason for doing it the downside is going to be worse then the plus side.
My meals are pretty simple and divided up into catagories from each group of foods and everything is tracked. Fat grams,calories,sodium, ect..
Breakfast is normaly;
I cup of Cheerios
1 cup fat free milk
1apple or similar fruit
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1 egg
3 ounces fat free or almost fat free meat
2 starches( 2 slices bread for me so I make a sandwhich)
The bread is low cal,40 calorie, whole wheat and fat free.
I switch menu from one to the other each day.
My average meal is aroung 3 grams or less of fat and around 200-400 calories and virtualy no sodium.
I figured out that pasta was the worst thing I could eat no matter the serving size. 1 cup of pasta and I gain 2 pounds and void any weight loss from exercise.So until I get down to where I want to be, pasta is off the menu completely.
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Post by Paws on May 29, 2010 1:51:32 GMT 12.75
No way dude! First time I mustered the motivation, or had it mustered for me, cause I been wanting to include fasting with prayer as highly recommended by the Bible. Anywho, it is very surprising to me how I never experienced hunger per say. I got a bit light headed a couple of times but a cold glass of water or hot cup of broth handled that fine. Got to tell you, I feel terrific. I think the salty bouillon was a plus with the extremely hot weather. The whole fast lasted 80 hours broken only by two ribs of cdelery and five red radishes. I splurged at 72 hours with a celery rib and the radishes wondering if the fiber would augment the glucose reading; it did and by a ton. So I learned that if and when I do have carbs they get accompanied with mass fiber. Yesterday at dinner time as I prepared to formally break my fast with a real meal I was at 111 and following my stir fry chicken breast dinner by two hours, read 143 which was terrific! It is recommended that diabetic glucose should be under 120 at meal time and under 180 two hours after eating. This morning I read 139 which is the best AM read I've had in like two years! I'm so happy!! I'm kind of excited about my swim thing starting in a couple of days too. Going to be fun!
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Post by Toby Benoit on May 29, 2010 4:58:44 GMT 12.75
;D ;D ;D Glad you mustered the fortitude to get it under control. The real test will be keeping it under control, but you sure got a hand on it. Swimming is a great idea; gitterdone! ;D ;D ;D Tell him Koot, if he'd a had pork rinds instead of radishes, he'd a got it under control forty hours faster!
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Post by Paws on May 29, 2010 7:22:45 GMT 12.75
Meetin' Buck N Beans tomorrow for breakfast at the Golden Coral. I plan on a plate of scrambled eggs, three strips of bacon, half a biscuit with butter and maybe some raw peppers. Their coffee is pretty good too. (Better be, driving 70 miles for it.) You guys make it I'll buy, 0900!!
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Post by Paws on May 29, 2010 7:32:03 GMT 12.75
Paws, what I meant about fasting is that no matter the reason for doing it the downside is going to be worse then the plus side. My meals are pretty simple and divided up into catagories from each group of foods and everything is tracked. Fat grams,calories,sodium, ect.. Breakfast is normaly; I cup of Cheerios 1 cup fat free milk 1apple or similar fruit or; 1 egg 3 ounces fat free or almost fat free meat 2 starches( 2 slices bread for me so I make a sandwhich) The bread is low cal,40 calorie, whole wheat and fat free. I switch menu from one to the other each day. My average meal is aroung 3 grams or less of fat and around 200-400 calories and virtualy no sodium. I figured out that pasta was the worst thing I could eat no matter the serving size. 1 cup of pasta and I gain 2 pounds and void any weight loss from exercise.So until I get down to where I want to be, pasta is off the menu completely. What are you putting on the pasta? Just checked with my buddy Andy and they modified his diet and are now allowing him three meals per day of 45 calories each. He was eting a small bowl of cooked beef with tomato sauce for breakfast. Mars your diet seems pretty decent. Your carb servings are under 50 grams per meal and that seems to be a real key to weight loss and glucose control. Raw veggies are a treat for me. I love them. Right now I have cauliflower, peppers, radish, cukes, cherry tomatoes, celery, carrots and sticks, daikon radish. I also have a fresh lpineapple that gets butchered today.
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Post by Mars on May 29, 2010 17:23:17 GMT 12.75
With me it's not what is on the pasta but I've been playing with different things and the killer was when I had the exact same things occur with just plain pasta. So no more pasta. I can have all the raw vegetables I want and any time I want. I like and can have steamed vegetables as well and today we went to Ryans for dinner and they had steamed broccoli on the buffet line! I got 1 plate and it was the best I ever had at a restaurant and I ended up having another plate. ;D I decided to add a little meat but I splurged on it. They had prime rib and there was a piece that everybody was picking around because it had atleast a 3/4 inch thick fat band around it. I took it and it was great! It wasn't big, about 5-6 ounces but 2/3rds was the fat strip.
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Post by Paws on May 30, 2010 7:12:32 GMT 12.75
Try the pasta one more time just for shits and grins only this time uncercook it intentionally and keep your portion under a measuring cup. Read your nutritional analysis and keep your total carb intake for the meal under 50 grams. Augment with lots of raw vegies and let's see what happens. Get a glucose reading two hours after you eat. I went back up to 200 yesterday PM and ate a plate of raw veggies for after dinner snack and this morning my glucose was back at 174. So I did my breakfast thing with Mike, Faith, Marty, Eloise, and Maria and anxious for my afternoon reading. I'll lunch on veggies and fizzy juice I think. Effort now is to get my eating on a rigid schedule. See if I can train my body to be ready to eat and respond appropriately. Hey, only two more days before swimming starts! ;D
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Post by Paws on May 30, 2010 7:15:05 GMT 12.75
p.s. Mars, you are lucky to be close to a Ryan's. They are terrific!
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